On 3/3/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Which would be worth what, for me? As far as I can see, there's absolutely nothing for me to gain by being labelled an "official Gentoo developer", and an awful lot to lose.
I think you're missing the point - I am not trying to convince you to become a Gentoo developer.
You speak of it as though being a Gentoo developer is a privilege rather than a responsibility.
Regardless of your personal opinion regarding the worth of being a Gentoo developer, which little bearing on what we are discussing, being a Gentoo developer *is* quite obviously a privilege in the true, non-derogatory definition of the word. It is an authorization that provides certain abilities and opportunities. These opportunities are not available to non-developers. So, again, since you are participating as a key member in an official Gentoo project, which is a developer-only privilege, you should either have your dev access reinstated or be removed from the project. This choice isn't yours to make. Except that if you are not interested in being a developer and dealing with all the crap that other developers need to deal with then you cannot not become a developer (we can't force you) and should be removed from PMS. You really are making my point - you have a really sweet gig in that you get to act as a Gentoo developer without many of the downsides. The fact that this opporunity is being made available to you and not everyone else (even me, the guy who created the project and most core technologies) is unfair. Certainly you won't claim that *all* Gentoo developers are unworthy of the title, would you? Yet even those who are worthy of being called Gentoo developers don't enjoy the privileges that you are currently enjoying.
I was kicked for suggesting [snip]
I don't care why you were kicked; the issue at hand is that you *were* kicked, and you currently *are* kicked, and as long as you *are* kicked, you aren't allowed to participate in certain things. If you were kicked for no good reason, then this should be fixed. This isn't a forum for discussing those details.
> I'm not trying to get you kicked as much as I'm trying to determine > whether there are still clearly-defined rules for Gentoo development > that are enforced in any meaningful or consistent way. Were there ever?
I'm assuming that was a sincere question rather than a sarcastic remark. Yes, there were clearly-defined rules of conduct that were consistently enforced. This was before you joined the project. By the time you joined, I was becoming distracted by tons of meaningless crap that kept me out of day-to-day Gentoo development and project leadership, and things changed. Gentoo is only going to be fun and productive again if we: 1) maintain a courteous and professional atmosphere 2) focus on good, transparent project management and collaboration 3) deliver cool technologies to Gentoo users AND IN THAT ORDER ONLY, which is the only order that works long-term. It makes no sense to try to do this in reverse order. It does not work. 3 requires 2 and 2 requires 1. Right now these three pillars are being treated as mutually exclusive goals which is absolutely ridiculous and wrong, where we accept failure in point 1 in the hope of achieving 3. -Daniel -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
