On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:58:30 -0800 (PST) "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you are saying you cannot see Daniel's point of view at all? That > Gentoo should perhaps have input on a specification whose goal is to > essentially define what a Gentoo Package Manager should be? Because > right now the input is very limited. Gentoo developers are working > on it, the council can see it, but other interested parties cannot. > He sees that as a problem. I tend to disagree with his point of view > in this case; but I can at least see where he is coming from and the > point he is trying to make. Some people want transparency in the > process.
Plenty of Gentoo people have input. When it's ready, any Gentoo or non-Gentoo person who hasn't gotten themselves procmailed will have input. > Because it is difficult to determine 'people who know what they are > talking about'. I would say Brian Harring is one of those, but I > have a feeling you would disagree with me. All I really know is that > I am not one of those people. I think this is once again part of > Daniel's point. Interested parties should be able to collaborate > (even if it's in a private repo to keep prying eyes away). But you > are basically turning away a portion of interested parties. Interested parties are more than welcome to ask for access. Not a single person who is complaining about lack of transparency has done so. > I can see why he thinks this is a bad approach. As I said; I > personally don't care. I trust the council will take a good approach > when PMS is ready for peer review. But at the same time I can't just > blatantly discard Daniel's ideas as hogwash because I can understand > his position. The "when it's ready" part is essential. As far as I can see, Daniel considers "anything written at all" to be "ready for peer review". Those of us writing it consider "most things written, but some parts a bit rough" to be ready for restricted peer review, and "we're happy with it but don't claim it's perfect" to be ready for a free for all. Publishing anything before then will just lead to people spending ages pointing out things we already know, which adds nothing -- we want people to be telling us things we don't know. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/
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