On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:20:48 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
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> On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 06:37 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Nor are most Gentoo projects controlled by Gentoo. Try asking for a
> > new feature in Portage sometime if you think that Gentoo has any
> > say over how projects are developed...
> 
> Uhh...
> 
> Bug #167667
> Bug #167668
> 
> Just because the features that you ask for aren't done, don't mean
> features aren't added on request.  Sure, my feature requests are much
> simpler than "add some new ability to dependency resolution" to
> implement, but they prove the point that no matter how much bitching
> and whining people do, the portage team *is* responsive and does fill
> requests in a timely manner.  It's even easier if you provide patches.

No, they fill *some* requests in a timely manner, whilst ignoring many
things that the tree, developers and users really need.

> The EAPI=0 document was supposed to be a QA project.  What it is now,
> I have no idea.  While the current PMS project is not what we asked
> for and *is* outside the scope of Gentoo, due to our wishing to still
> *have* a specification of EAPI=0, we are wanting to look at other
> possibilities for getting one done.  What the Council is interested
> in is a specification of expected behavior of an EAPI=0 compatible
> package manager.  At this point, I don't give a damn who writes it or
> what implementation, if any, matches it 100%.  I am pretty sure it'll
> be *very* close to current portage functionality, side-effects and
> bugs excluded, of course.  We asked for a specification.  If the PMS
> team is unable or unwilling to provide us with what we asked under
> the terms we asked for it, we're going to pursue other options.  We
> can't control PMS< but we also don't have to sit around and do
> nothing to reach the Council's goal of an approved specification for
> EAPI=0, a goal which I believe some people lost sight of some time
> ago.

A specification that no-one follows or that is full of inaccuracies is
worthless.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh
Mail                                : ciaranm at ciaranm.org
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