Okay, I didn't want to answer anymore to this thread because I really find it suited for April 1st, not October 4th, but seems like I cannot...
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 15:10, Thomas Cort wrote: > I was thinking something similar to what Ubuntu does, > they provide the basics to do most things and then they have universe > and multiverse repos for extra stuff. And one of the main thing that new users like of Gentoo when compared to Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora is that you have almost everything available out of the box. Not counting that a good deal of the packages in the tree does not really require much maintainership. > I believe that we have too many packages for us to maintain. We have > over 11,000 packages (over 24,000 ebuilds) and only about 175 active > developers. I don't think its maintainable and I don't think adding > more packages will make it any better. Let's see, about 400 packages are handled by KDE herd. Not sure how many are currently handled by X11 herd after modular Xorg was addded, at least 20 packages are handled by BSD herd, and I think I maintain directly about 40 packages; we have about 30 kernel sources packages, and a uncounted number of minor or micro packages. I think my stuff is pretty well maintained, too. The problem is not the quantity, the problem is the coverage. > Every developer should have access to at least 1 Gentoo system. They > should also be able to determine if something is stable or not. It > would cut down on the number of keyword/stable bugs if developers did > a lot of their own keywording. Cut the crap, if you allow me. I have four systems: AMD64, PowerPC and two i386 (FreeBSD) boxes. I run ~amd64 and ~ppc, I cannot stable anything for those two, and I don't want to waste time in a stable overlay. I've resigned from AMD64 team for that reason, too. > Even when someone is found it is hard for them to find mentors. We > need to improve this. Well, happens to me that I always found enough mentors to do the job.. even if it required to wait some weeks. > What happened to working together? Should we work together instead of > competing against each other? Competing does not mean "try to kill the other", means "try to do a similar thing in a different way", that is something that we are already doing by being a (mostly) Linux distribution... Why don't you go help Ubuntu, if you think that competing is bad? > We've got tons of keywording/stable bugs. There aren't enough > developers to do all the proper testing on all of the architectures > supported by Gentoo. Many of the arches are dead or soon to be dead > (m68k, alpha, mips, etc). Yeah and as others said, x86 and AMD64 are way more of a bottleneck than Alpha, Sparc or PPC64 ..... I've asked two days ago a re-keywording of libao and libao-pulse. ~amd64 and ~x86-fbsd keywords are mine; the only keyword added after those was ~ppc64 up to now. If I look through the PulseAudio packages, x86 is missing everywhere, even if users asked for keywording. Sure, killing Gentoo/FreeBSD will improve x86 support, yeah sure, keep on tryin'. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Sound, ALSA, PAM, KDE, CJK, Ruby ...
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