> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +0000, Alec Warner wrote: >> > No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach >> than >> > the one demonstrated fex. in >> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more >> > flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers >> we've >> > received before) and that have been declined for various strange >> reasons. >> >> Linking to a bug where you make crazed comments about how bugs isn't >> fixed!!!!1111oneone and that dammit someone should do something >> now!!!1111 doesn't really help your case. >> >> I bet if I was infra I'd be wondering what my options were since: >> >> bugs is a pretty critical part of developing; AND > yes >> you can't just host it anywhere; AND > it's not _that_ much hardware (and bandwidth) needed >> the hardware needed for it to perform is expensive; AND > for a single person yes. For a sponsor (or a group of sponsors) it may > be ok > >> they did not know what the problem was at first > And even there it took some heavy prodding to get people to look at the > problem. > > After about half a year of waiting, with people we would consider > reliable offering pretty much everything from hosting to hardware, it's > hard to listen to the "be patient" mantra without thinking "omgwtfbbq, > it is _still_ not fixed?". Especially since bugs is considered an > important part of our infrastructure. > >> As in, you don't just grab the first dual proc system that was offered >> out of some guys basement to host bugs on. > Agreed, but I'd say a webhoster with >1000 machines should know what > they are doing. > >> You need a dedicated host >> who will stick around and provide good support should something go >> wrong. > Only experience can tell you how they will respond, and even reliable > sponsors could get axed if their managment changes. We have almost no > hardware in Europe, that's a huge untapped ressource ... > >> You need expensive hardware ( I believe we got a blade server >> with 3 blades in it, which is fscking expensive if you haven't priced >> one out before ). So once again, chill out. They are working on it. > Dude, you don't need blades for it. Any "normal" server will do, two for > DB and one for web frontend. I hope you know what you are talking about and if you use 2 db's with one database (i think you mean a sort of loadbalancing/clustering) you practicly need double mem +10% of the size of you database...
> That we got blades is really nice and sweet, but if you check the > traffic and throughput of bugzilla (and then double or triple that for > future growth) you should still be able to do it easily. > > (Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.) > > Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal > desktop box from last year. > >> And yes bugs is slow and yes it sucks, but bitching about it doesn't >> accomplish anything :x > It may cause discussion that may lead to accelerated problem solving :-) > > hth, > > Patrick > -- > Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
