On Monday 03 April 2006 22:19, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Vapier wrote: [Mon Apr 03 2006, 04:38:48PM CDT]
>
> > dont get me wrong, i hate documenting common sense as much as the next
> > sane guy, but it seems Gentoo has come to the point where this needs to
> > be done
>
> Actually, I disagree that it "needs to be done".

if it wasnt needed we wouldnt be watching devs depart because they were tired 
of dealing with shit/politics/butt sex

> Once upon a time I 
> helped plasmaroo craft parts of our etiquette guide, but at the time I
> assumed that it was a guide to help the clueless, not a rigid code that

how is it rigid ?  it's basically "dont be a dick" in longer winded terms

> we would be putting in place (and under which one could be prosecuted).

huh ?  if you're referring to the trailing infra paragraphs, please disregard 
those and consider the document again.  otherwise i have no idea what you 
mean by "prosecuted"

> > many thanks to the Ubuntu guys and to solar for doing the real work here:
> > http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/xml/conduct.html
>
> Um, do we have permission from the authors?  Some of the sentences seem
> to be word-for-word identical to the source.

we'll ask them tomorrow at the ubuntu booth in LWE

> Incidentally, why drop the part about leaving the project in a considerate
> manner? 

we can add it back in if people like.  ideally, you wouldnt want to leave us.  
JOIN US.

> > i dont see how anyone can be against this (unless you're a terrorist!),
> > so this is on track to be integrated as-is into the dev handbook
> > Etiquette section
>
> A few points:  The "be collaborative" stanza echoes our social policy,
> so it's not clear that it's needed here.

it is a bit redundant but this is one point i like hammering into people.  i'm 
tired of seeing projects *cough* FreeBSD *cough* that patch their packages to 
hell and rarely try to contribute back.  if redundancy hammers a point home, 
this is a pretty good point to do so with imo.

> In any event, if we plan to 
> use this document to extend or otherwise clarify our social policy, then
> I tend to think that does deserve some discussion.

that's why i started a thread instead of simply committing it

> As for the bit about 
> "disruptive behaviors" being "a security and stability threat to
> Gentoo", I assume that's Solar's contribution?

please consider the doc without those infra related paragraphs as they are 
unrelated to a proper code of conduct
-mike
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