On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 09:42 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > Really, I don't have any vision for Gentoo and I like it that way. > Amazing words to come from Gentoo's release manager. We might as well > call our releases 'maintenance updates' then if thats the case. I guess we're at a point where many parts "just work" - I still have some ideas where Gentoo could be improved, but if Chris doesn't and prefers to do some cat-herding I support him in his lack of vision ;-)
After all, without some level of QA / "managment" all those visions will end in half-assed prototypes that almost work, but don't do much. The mundane tasks of keeping the wheels greased so that others can experiment around shouldn't be dismissed like that ... > I give up on this whole thread. I was hoping people would see past the > automatic "OMG!! We can't have a leader because it would restrict what I > can do!" mentality. But apparently that isn't the case here. You know as well as I do that any leader will only have a nominal position and most devs will just do what they want, bypassing such a person whenever necessary. So for now we should focus on how to coordinate our goals - if we agree that a "leader" is needed, why not, but we should find out if that is even needed. > Yes, we > didn't have the best experience with previous attempts at having some > kind of a leader. And automatically thinking that it'll turn into a > corporate bureaucratic mess is also incorrect. If you can open up your > mind and see past those automatic assumptions and see the value it would > be amazing. But it's already getting too bureaucratic ;-) It's getting more and more difficult to get things done, more and more people / groups / herds to wait on to decide "obvious" things. > Anyways, as I said. I give up on this getting anywhere. That's the spirit. (just kidding, but it is kinda funny) I noticed that Gentoo seems to have this cycle where all 3 months or so the same theme comes up, causes a long discussion and then goes nowhere. And then stuff does happen - maybe it's not obvious, but we're not yet Debian ;-) For example - our baselayout supports UML and vServer (almost fully) native. Most of you won't see that, but to those that do it's something that's really nice. wkr, Patrick -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move
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