> On Mar 20, 2025, at 8:52 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 15:39, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that
>>> the PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork that differs and lacks proprietary
>>> parts
>
> AIUI, lists.a.o runs code based on PonyMail Foal, but they have some
> proprietary code (in particular the authentication).
> The page footer says: Powered by Apache Pony Mail (Foal v/1.0.1 ~78ad7bf).
> [However there has never been a release of Foal]
If Pony Mail were to do an actual release of Foal and go on to become a PMC
then this branding is appropriate, but until then it is misleading and missing
“(incubating)”.
If Pony Mail graduates to a TLP, is there a PMC?
>
>> Thanks for your information. If so, I agree that we may retire the
>> project if the current PMC won't continue it. My personal feeling is
>> that a potential contributor may mistake his/her effort would benefit
>> lists.a.o but actually not (at least not directly).
>
> Some of the fixes to PonyMail Foal have been incorporated into
> lists.a.o, but that does not happen automatically.
> Infra have to request for changes to be made; there may be a charge involved.
If Pony Mail retires then would it be to infrastructure repositories?
Justin - should there be a “Roll Call” for Pony Mail?
Best,
Dave
>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>> Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:34写道：
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tison,
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 8:23 AM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> On Retirement, I have one question: does PonyMail have no more efforts
>>>> needed, even regular maintenance?
>>>
>>> The source for lists.apache.org belongs to the vendor and I believe that
>>> the PonyMail Podling’s source is a fork which differs and lacks
>>> proprietary parts. Consider asking for more detail from Infra unless
>>> someone directly involved wants to make a statement.
>>>
>>> A question could be for Sebb and if he finds the Pony Mail project helpful.
>>>
>>>> BTW, we have some repo that are part of our infrastructure, they don't
>>>> do ASF "release" IIUC but also not "retire" or archive.
>>>
>>> Sure we have infrastructure and now tooling archives. These also get
>>> archived if they are no longer relevant.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> tison.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2025年3月20日周四 23:20写道：
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s focus on the original question.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 12:35 AM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Pony Mail project has been incubating since 2016 and lately has
>>>>>> failed to submit its reports. The PPMC is struggling to attract people
>>>>>> and only has two or three active people on it. We have discussed this
>>>>>> project before but haven't concluded what to do with it. It is a mature
>>>>>> project that not many people are interested in, but we use a version of
>>>>>> it at https://lists.apache.org/ (although I believe it is not exactly
>>>>>> the same).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some options:
>>>>>> - We vote to retire the project - note that, unlike TLPs, podlings do
>>>>>> not go to the attic, but it could continue to live on GitHub.
>>>>>> - We vote to graduate the project and make it the board’s issue
>>>>>
>>>>> If the project becomes a TLP, will it be one of those like Whimsical that
>>>>> never release software? Is it needed?
>>>>>
>>>>> I lean towards Retirement, but if the several ASF Members involved want
>>>>> to continue then I would vote for graduation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I’m open to any other suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The project has asked for other PPMC members, but even if it got them,
>>>>>> it’s unclear how teh project would graduate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would, of course, bring this up with the project’s PMC before taking
>>>>>> any action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
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