Hi Jan

It seems there are different communities, so I understand the purpose.
Thanks for the details!

Regards
JB

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 10:53 AM Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30. Jan 2025, at 09:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jan
> >
> > It sounds great !
> > I just have a very stupid question: there's no chance to gather
> > CouchDB/PouchDB in the same project ? It's not clear to me if CouchDB
> > and PouchDB have their own communities or it's a more "technical"
> > split.
>
> They have their own communities with some overlap. Most PouchDB users
> are also CouchDB users, and some CouchDB users are also PouchDB users.
>
> But most PouchDB maintainers are not CouchDB maintainers or vice versa.
>
> CouchDB is written in Erlang and PouchDB in JavaScript. These are
> sufficiently separate worlds that maintainers on either side would
> not be in a good position to make judgements about the other world,
> either in day-to-day operations or in ASF relevant things like
> voting on releases or technical decisions.
>
> Imagine a pure Java or C++ developer having to vote on a motion to,
> say, deprecate a particular Ruby or Python runtime version.
>
> > If you need a mentor/champion, please let me know if I can help.
>
> Yes please, we do need all of these :)
>
> Best
> Jan
> —
>
> >
> > Thanks !
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 6:25 PM Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Incubator,
> >>
> >> I’m writing on behalf of the PouchDB[1] project. PouchDB is a
> >> sister-project to Apache CouchDB that has existed since 2010,
> >> albeit outside of the ASF. I’ve included more details below.
> >>
> >> PouchDB is looking to join the ASF as per a recent discussion[2]
> >> on the current project issue tracker.
> >>
> >> And as per The Apache Incubator Cookbook[3]: our next task is:
> >>
> >>> Finding a champion and mentors
> >>
> >> On behalf of the current PouchDB maintainers I am hereby soliciting
> >> volunteers to champion and mentor the PouchDB project at the ASF
> >> incubator.
> >>
> >> —
> >>
> >> PouchDB is a JavaScript reimplementation of Apache CouchDB’s APIs,
> >> data model and replication mechanism for running in a web browser.
> >>
> >> It is a popular deployment companion to Apache CouchDB and is used
> >> in many commercial, open-source and humanitarian projects around
> >> the world that require full offline-capable database access in web-
> >> based applications.
> >>
> >> The current maintainers would like to reflect the relative im-
> >> portance of PouchDB by joining the ASF to ensure, among other
> >> things, its longevity and transparency of development.
> >>
> >> Apache CouchDB as been a top-level project at the ASF since 2009
> >> and it only makes sense to the maintainers PouchDB to follow along
> >> rather than, say, join a JavaScript specific foundation like the
> >> OpenJS Foundation.
> >>
> >> The PouchDB maintainers further prefer to be an independent project
> >> within the ASF rather than a sub-project to Apache CouchDB as the
> >> technologies and day-to-day operations as well as releases vary
> >> widely enough as to not burden the Apache CouchDB developers with
> >> the additional overhead. In previous private talks, various CouchDB
> >> members largely agree with this assessment. Where needed, the CouchDB
> >> and PouchDB maintainers have a proven track record of collaborating
> >> productively across organisational boundaries so that both sides
> >> feel a sub-project relationship not to be beneficial let alone
> >> required.
> >>
> >> —
> >>
> >> I am personally the PMC Chair for Apache CouchDB and while I am
> >> technically eligible for the champion position, I’d rather the
> >> rest of the PouchDB maintainers meet more ASF folks rather sooner
> >> than later.
> >>
> >> —
> >>
> >> Do let us know if you have any further questions, advice or other
> >> points of discussion.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Jan
> >> —
> >> [1]: https://pouchdb.com <https://pouchdb.com/>
> >> [2]: https://github.com/pouchdb/pouchdb/issues/8999
> >> [3]: https://incubator.apache.org/cookbook
> >>
> >>
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