Just curious. What's the relationship between Nessie and Polaris? Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> 于2024年7月31日周三 20:09写道：
> Hi Justin, > > Thanks for your email. Much appreciated! > > I agree with the requirements to join the incubator, I share the same > vision. > > The codebase is there, public, under the Apache license. So, I think > we are good here :) > > About the community, it's a small one, but present, vibrant, and eager > to grow. We have a lot of enthusiasm around this proposal (and also > Polaris open source). I think it would be a great podling. > > The split between PPMC / ocmmitters is unusual because of the > community build goal. The team had a lot of feedback and interest from > different parties, including some Apache projects. > When I prepared the proposal with the team (that included people > listed in the PPMC), we wanted to involve anyone helping the project > to grow. It's not necessary code contributions, it's everything to: > 1. Help in the design (for instance Jack Ye is helping on the Apache > Iceberg REST impl vision) > 2. Help to grow the community by including other communities (for > instance Anoop proposed to bridge with Apache XTable, John with Apache > Kafka, Robert with Project Nessie) > 3. Mentor committers and other PPMC (that's my role mostly :)) in > addition of the regular mentor. For instance, Tyler could be a great > mentor thanks to his experience on Apache Beam. > > So about the commits: > - Polaris started on a private repo at Snowflake including code that > it was not possible to push open source (Snowflake specific). So, we > had to change the history to remove these commits and have a clean > open source codebase > - You are right, not all PPMC members have committed on the repo, same > about the committers. The reason they are there is that either: > 1. Their contributions are not code > 2. Their contributions are not yet there, but they plan to contribute > I think it happens pretty often to have people listed in the initial > committers without commit (for instance, I think on Gravitino, Ashish > Singh is on the initial committer list without a commit afair). > > I understand your comment, and it's important to me. > If it's a concern for you, I'm happy to rework the initial committer > list with the team (also removing PPMC list to use the default layout) > and grow the PPMC/committers when in the incubator. > > Thoughts ? > > Regards > JB > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 5:47 AM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > In general, projects joining the incubator need two things: > > - A codebase > > - a community around it > > > > While this isn't a hard requirement, building either while in incubation > can be difficult. > > > > The first issue I see is it’s not clear to me that there is a community > here. > > > > The split between PPMC / committers is also unusual. > > > > It also seems there’s a disconnect between the people who have > contributed to the project and those on the initial PMC/committer list. I > understand history has been lost. Is there any reason why history wasn’t > preserved? But given it comes from a single vendor, I would assume that the > commits in the new repo would then give an accurate representation of who > is involved from outside that vendor since the plan/announcement to make it > open source. However looking at the commits, 80%+ of the people involved > come from that single vendor which and most of the proposed PPMC/committers > have no activity in the project. How have these people contributed? > > > > Looking closer, other than jbonofre or snazy, I can see these commits > from non-Snowflake people, and that is it. > > anoopj - 1 commit (fixing a basic typo) > > ajantha-bhat - 2 commits (minor doc changes) > > > > From the information provided, it seems that a lot of the proposed PMCs > have not been involved with the project at all. Mentors are there to help a > project, adding extra existing PMC members to the PPMC to just help out is > also rather unusual. So both the PPMC/committer split and the composition > seem problematic to me. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Justin > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
