On 5/9/24 03:15, Imba Jin wrote:
Hi Daniel,

For example, after the project is donated(in incubation), when users visit 
"github.com/apache/incubator-hugegraph" or "github.com/apache/hugegraph", it could 
automatically jump to "github.com/apache/incubator-hugegraph" (As expected)

However, if we create a new repo from "selfserve.apache.org" (like 
"github.com/apache/incubator-hugegraph-ai"), when the users visit non-prefix url 
"github.com/apache/hugegraph-ai", it will return 404 instead of automatically redirecting to 
"incubator-hugegraph-ai" (Unexpected, maybe we need submit a JIRA ticket to enable it)

This is expected behavior, as there is no hugegraph-ai repository in this case. Redirects only work if there is an existing symlink from an older repository with that name.

I guess I'm confused as to why one would try visiting a URL that never existed in the first place.

In any case, this would be moot if the incubator prefix was dropped going forward.


Hope my explanation is clear~

Imba Jin

On 2024/05/08 14:53:13 Daniel Gruno wrote:
On 5/8/24 09:45, sebb wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 15:15, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote:

On 5/8/24 03:20, Sheng Wu wrote:
sebb <seb...@gmail.com> 于2024年5月8日周三 16:12写道:

Remember that the purpose of the incubator prefix is to clearly signal
that the code is under Incubation.

It is essential that this change does not result in losing this indication.

AFAICT, for most podlings, dropping the incubator prefix will require
additional work to ensure that the Incubation status is clear to
users,
and will require additional work by the IPMC to ensure that podlings
adequately display the Incubation status for each repository.

Can't agree more on this.
In this vote proposal, we implicitly add many more checks for IPMC,
and lead more potential arguments about whether the incubating status
indicator is clear enough.
We are making IPMC pay the price in the future by removing a simple
GitHub supported operation.

On second thought, I am changing my vote to -1 binding.

This seems to point at more systemic failings of the IPMC if we are
relying on the incubator- repository prefix for denoting podlings. I'll
note that, as far as I can tell, the original reason for the incubator
prefix was that of a technical limitation with the incubator, and
shouldn't (imho) be used as a crutch for failings elsewhere in the
branding of podlings.

It's not a crutch if the naming convention satisfies the requirement;
it's just another way of doing it.

I am +1 (binding) on dropping the prefix myself. Incubation notices
should be handled during releases, and on the official podling website.

IMO Incubation status needs to be made clear from the very start.
It is not something that can be left until later.

*We* know what incubation means, and *we* know what the incubator-
prefix denotes. Does the general public have any clue? Does the prefix
matter to the end user?

I know the prefix requires additional work from the projects and infra
upon graduation, which is a tangible downside. Is there a tangible
upside to the prefix, empirically speaking?





On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 08:30, alin.jerpe...@sony.com
<alin.jerpe...@sony.com> wrote:

+1 (non binding)

from my experience will make the documentation and releases easy to migrate 
after graduation

Best regards
Alin
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Ämne: Re: [VOTE] Drop the incubator- prefix for podling's GitHub repo name

-0 (binding) On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 13: 58, Richard Zowalla <richard@ zowalla. com> wrote: > -0 
(binding) > > (I like the prefix) > > Am 8. Mai 2024 07: 41: 16 MESZ schrieb Sheng Wu <wu. sheng. 
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On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 13:58, Richard Zowalla <rich...@zowalla.com> wrote:

-0 (binding)

(I like the prefix)

Am 8. Mai 2024 07:41:16 MESZ schrieb Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>:
-0 binding

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Twitter, wusheng1108

Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2024年5月8日周三 12:16写道:

+0 (binding) wave

On May 7, 2024, at 5:34 PM, Francis Chuang <francischu...@apache.org>
wrote:

+1 (binding)

I think this is a pragmatic and well-thought out approach.

Francis

On 8/05/2024 10:31 am, tison wrote:
Hi,
Following the discussion thread [1], I'd start a vote on the
following
proposals:
1. Establish a consensus to allow and finally converge podling's
GitHub repo to
have a name without the incubator- prefix.
2. Allow existing ongoing podlings to ask the INFRA to drop their
incubator- prefix by now, not MUST during the graduation.
3. Update the docs on incubator.apache.org everywhere if the
description
can conflict with this consensus.
4. Update the docs on incubator.apache.org to guide how to describe
podling's incubating status on the GitHub repo (namely, including
"incubating" in the repo description and README, point to the
DISCLAIMER
content).
[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/kxvdkrf8g8yr6hww1n08r21xdy67y4ok
+1 allow podling's GitHub repo to have a name without the incubator-
prefix, and other items above
+0 do not care strongly
-1 disagree the proposals above, because ...
Please vote with your ASF ID followed by (binding) if you are a
member of
the Incubator PMC or (not binding) if not.
Vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
Best,
tison.

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