Hi Carl, Your last message did not provide many details and we have not heard back from you after a day; I'd appreciate any updates or insights into your thought process that you could share.
As JB mentioned, I see no reason to delay the vote to move into incubation. Community growth is one of the main goals during incubation and I think it is important to keep things progressing at this stage. (In addition, as mentioned earlier in the thread, we have conducted a lot of outreach, I'd say over and above what a typical project entering the ASF incubator would do, which is also reflected in the initial list of committers.) Thanks, Jesús On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:00 AM Ashvin A <ash...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi All, > > +1 to JB's points. Thanks Jesus for steering this discussion. > I wholeheartedly support XTable. The potential of this initiative is > immense, especially considering feedback from storage formats users and the > benchmark we've been developing. > I'm eagerly looking forward to collaborating with all who have committed to > this project, as well as those in the pipeline and keeping an eye on our > progress. > I appreciate everyone's support and valuable feedback. > > Best, > Ashvin > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:24 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I think that's also the purpose of the incubation to grow the > > community, both users community but also dev communities. > > So, I don't see a blocker for incubation but more for graduation. > > > > I would start with the initial committer list with the target to grow > > during incubation, including people from other projects (Iceberg, > > Hudi, Paimon, ...). > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 5:06 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez > > <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > > > > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > > > > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), > it's > > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested > in > > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft > > (2), > > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I > > believe > > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > > > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > > > > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most > > popular > > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if > > the > > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current > communication > > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) > > Disagreement, > > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge > the > > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > > > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > > > > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project > and > > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the > prompt > > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The > goal > > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive > > community. > > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no > > lack > > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format > > communities > > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems > > from > > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the > > table > > > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > > > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable > as > > > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That > > will > > > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > > > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > > > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > > > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to > > mitigate > > > the remaining concern. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesús > > > > > > > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > > > [2] Apache Iceberg: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > > > [3] Apache Hudi: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > > > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach <cwsteinb...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Jesús, > > > > > > > > This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the > > incubator. > > > > > > > > It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could > > you > > > > also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to > > broaden > > > > the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and > > Delta > > > > communities? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > - Carl > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > > > > jcama...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's > > great to > > > > > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different > > people. > > > > > > > > > > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are > > > > working > > > > > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion > > with any > > > > > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are > doing > > some > > > > > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again > > during > > > > > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and > > share it > > > > > in this thread. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, > we're > > > > > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're > > > > > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before > > > > pushing > > > > > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to > > the > > > > ASF > > > > > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any > insights > > or > > > > > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on > > previous > > > > > instances would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Jesús > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > > > jbono...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other > Apache > > > > > > projects. > > > > > > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the > > project :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez > > > > > > <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - > > > > OneTable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats > > that > > > > > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and > > query > > > > > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source > > table > > > > > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the proposal - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help > > the > > > > > > project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [ > hit...@apache.org > > ], > > > > > > Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste > > Onofré [ > > > > > > jbono...@apache.org]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are looking forward to your feedback! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Jesús > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
