Hi Jesus, Please wait one more day to start the vote.
Thanks. - Carl On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:59 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining > questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they > are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin > later today if possible. > > -Jesús > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > jcama...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft > (2), > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I > believe > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most > popular > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if > the > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) > Disagreement, > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive > community. > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no > lack > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format > communities > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems > from > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the > table > > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as > > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That > will > > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to > mitigate > > the remaining concern. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesús > > > > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > > [2] Apache Iceberg: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > > [3] Apache Hudi: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach <cwsteinb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Jesús, > >> > >> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the > incubator. > >> > >> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could > you > >> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to > broaden > >> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and > Delta > >> communities? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> - Carl > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > >> jcama...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great > to > >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different > people. > >> > > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are > >> working > >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with > >> any > >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing > >> some > >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during > >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share > >> it > >> > in this thread. > >> > > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're > >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're > >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before > >> pushing > >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the > >> ASF > >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights > or > >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on > >> previous > >> > instances would be appreciated. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jesús > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:43 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > >> jbono...@apache.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Of course, it's a big +1 one for me. > >> > > > >> > > The purpose is interesting, creating "connection" with other Apache > >> > > projects. > >> > > Happy to be a mentor on this proposal and contribute to the project > :) > >> > > > >> > > Thanks ! > >> > > Regards > >> > > JB > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:23 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez > >> > > <jcama...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi All, > >> > > > > >> > > > I would like to propose a new project to the ASF incubator - > >> OneTable. > >> > > > > >> > > > OneTable[1] is an omni-directional converter for table formats > that > >> > > facilitates interoperability across data processing systems and > query > >> > > engines. Currently, OneTable supports widely adopted open-source > table > >> > > formats such as Apache Hudi, Apache Iceberg, and Delta Lake. > >> > > > > >> > > > Here is the proposal - > >> > > > > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/OneTable+Proposal > >> > > > > >> > > > I would be the Champion of the project. I will mentor and help the > >> > > project through the incubator with Hitesh Shah [hit...@apache.org], > >> > > Stamatis Zampetakis [zabe...@apache.org], and Jean-Baptiste Onofré > [ > >> > > jbono...@apache.org]. > >> > > > > >> > > > We are looking forward to your feedback! > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > >> > > > Jesús > >> > > > > >> > > > [1] https://github.com/onetable-io/onetable > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >
