Thanks. I think you are onto an idea of community that could be somehow explicitly part of the incubator’s curriculum. That’s a separate discussion.
Best, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2022, at 7:17 PM, Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree we don't need to hold the Tuweni graduation for the release checking. > But if we want to build a sustainable Open Source project, we still > need to pay lots of attention to community building. > > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > >> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:24 AM Antoine Toulme <anto...@toulme.name> wrote: >> >> Hello folks, >> >> Apache Tuweni had a much smaller community when it started its incubation at >> Apache. The path of this project has been impacted by the domain it applies >> to and the pandemic certainly hasn't helped. Still it has managed to create >> enough momentum to make regular releases and check off all incubation checks. >> Community building is definitely still on the menu - right now and later as >> well. We will continue building and including folks. We have onboarded >> successfully multiple committers and have received contributions. I expect >> this trend to continue and mature. >> >> The question is whether the best place for us to continue growing is the >> incubator. The incubator adds additional checks on our releases and slows >> down our cycles, which has historically driven folks to fork and move away >> from the project. >> >> The incubator doesn't offer opportunities for community building, from what >> I know. We will need to continue to build our image and presence to attract >> contributors on our own. >> >> The project mentors have been nothing short of fantastic. They have been >> helpful in maturing the project. In my opinion, we are using their precious >> time when they should be engaged in helping other projects of the incubator. >> >> With this, I want to thank the incubator. We had a great experience building >> with you all. I personally believe we should free the incubator's time and >> attention to concentrate on other projects. I also believe the project is >> mature enough to function outside of the incubator. >> >> I vote +1 to graduate Tuweni from the incubator. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Antoine >> >>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:37 PM, larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> We have also recently seen long term incubating projects with considerable >>> adoption falter. >>> I consider the fact that they did not graduate early enough a contributing >>> factor here. >>> >>> Nothing wrong with incubation but staying in the incubator and encountering >>> attrition is different from TLP >>> with some churn with new folks coming into an official TLP project while >>> others can fall off in a healthy way. >>> >>> Again, having the community test and release 14 separate releases >>> demonstrates contributors in the community >>> even if they aren't all materially contributing code. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:45 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> And in the last few months the ASF has sadly seen enough cases, in which >>>> even big projects suffered from the lack of diversity. >>>> So, I would also consider this to be a blocker. >>>> >>>> Community building isn’t something that happens or comes for free. >>>> It’s actually hard work, but it needs to be done. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion on this topic. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> From: Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Wednesday, 7. December 2022 at 02:59 >>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation >>>> It looks like we need a dedicated community leader[1] to build a >>>> diverse community (just borrow a pattern from InnerSource Common[2]). >>>> >>>> " Communication takes up a significant percentage of a community >>>> leader's daily work. At the same time, he or she will likely also have >>>> to spearhead the initial development, too. In the face of limited >>>> capacity, inexperienced leaders will tend to focus on development and >>>> neglect communication. The barrier for potential contributors to make >>>> their first contribution and to commit to the community will be much >>>> higher if the community leader is hard to reach or is slow to respond >>>> to feedback and questions for lack of time." >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://github.com/InnerSourceCommons/InnerSourcePatterns/blob/main/patterns/2-structured/dedicated-community-leader.md#forces >>>> [2]https://innersourcecommons.org/ >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang >>>> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 AM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not so sure that I see this as a blocker for graduation. >>>>> There was enough consensus and testing to spin and publish 14 releases. >>>>> There has been healthy conversation about this very topic among the >>>> mentors >>>>> and contributors on the private list. >>>>> >>>>> The nature of this project is that the consumption of these libraries are >>>>> going to get less traction while in incubation and a community may grow >>>>> larger as a TLP as confidence is instilled by that status. >>>>> >>>>> The Tuweni community has demonstrated the ability to publish releases >>>>> within that Apache Way and guidelines, has welcomed new contributors, >>>> etc. >>>>> The long term success will require a larger active community but I don't >>>>> think that needs to block graduation as the incubation goals have been >>>> met. >>>>> >>>>> My 2 cents. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:41 PM Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Gang Li. The Bus factor[1] of this project is relatively >>>> high. >>>>>> >>>>>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>>>>> >>>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:06 PM li gang <lgcar...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I checked the contributions of the Tuweni project[1],the traffic of >>>> the >>>>>>> mail list d...@tuweni.apache.org[2] and the KEYS[3]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like the project is mainly maintained by Antoine Toulme >>>> self, >>>>>>> I have a concern this is not comply with the diversity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/graphs/contributors >>>>>>> [2]https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>> [3]https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/tuweni/KEYS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Antoine Toulme <toulm...@apache.org> 于2022年12月5日周一 15:14写道： >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community and IPMC members, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We discussed the graduation for Tuweni in the Apache Incubator >>>>>>>> Community [4], where no issues were raised and positive replies >>>> were >>>>>>>> received. >>>>>>>> After having the graduation discussion in the Tuweni community >>>> [1], we >>>>>>>> have passed the vote within Tuweni community [2] and the vote >>>> result >>>>>>>> was published [3]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to start this voting thread to request graduating >>>> Apache >>>>>>>> Tuweni(incubating) from Apache Incubator as a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please provide your vote accordingly: >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Yes, I support Tuweni project to graduate from the Apache >>>>>> Incubator. >>>>>>>> [ ] +0 No opinion. >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, the Tuweni project is not ready to graduate, because... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for participating in the vote. This vote will stay open >>>> for >>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least 72 hours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is an overview of the Apache Tuweni(incubating) to help with >>>> the >>>>>>>> vote. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Community* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ● The PPMC is active, with PMC members voting for graduation along >>>> with >>>>>>>> mentors. >>>>>>>> ● 6 new committers were added, bringing the total number of >>>> committers >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> 14 from 12 different >>>>>>>> organizations. >>>>>>>> ● The number of contributors is now 25 and growing. >>>>>>>> ● The dev@Tuweni mailing list currently has 33 subscribers [4]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Project* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ● Apache Tuweni (incubating) is a set of libraries and other tools >>>> to >>>>>> aid >>>>>>>> development of blockchain and other decentralized software in >>>> Java and >>>>>>>> other JVM languages. It includes a low-level bytes library, >>>>>> serialization >>>>>>>> and deserialization codecs (e.g. RLP), various cryptography >>>> functions >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> primitives, and lots of other helpful utilities. Tuweni is >>>> developed >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> JDK 11 or higher. >>>>>>>> ● Project maturity model and incubation status is detailed in [5] >>>>>>>> ● Tuweni has been incubating [5] since 2019-02-25 for over 45 >>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community released a total of 14 Apache releases [6]. >>>>>>>> ● 331 pull requests created closed [7]. >>>>>>>> ● 76 issues created, and 46 issues closed [8]. >>>>>>>> ● The release cadence is about 3 months. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Brand, License, and Copyright* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ● We submitted an application for the brand [9] and it has been >>>>>>>> reviewed and approved. >>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community maintains project code on GitHub and all modules >>>>>>>> code is under Apache 2.0 license. We have reviewed all the >>>>>>>> dependencies and ensured they do not bring any license issues [10]. >>>>>>>> All the status files, license headers, and copyright are up to >>>> date. >>>>>>>> ● Tuweni official website [11] is compliant with Apache Foundation >>>>>>>> requirements [12]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z3flpmqcss21xc8vmtwqqfs961p4g9t5 >>>>>>>> [2] >>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/c04cmvfwh1wt2mxmc9zo89o6bnhm2xqk >>>>>>>> [3] >>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/8m4lq3k1v93m1k482syj7kn1ldb62665 >>>>>>>> [4] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>> [5] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html >>>>>>>> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/releases >>>>>>>> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/pulls >>>>>>>> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/issues >>>>>>>> [9] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-167 >>>>>>>> [10] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/blob/main/LICENSE >>>>>>>> [11] https://tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>> [12] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/tuweni >>>>>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> Best Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC >>>>>>> Gang Li 李岗 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> lgcar...@apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
