Hi,
Maybe a bit misunderstood, what I am trying to explain is that even if the
project is really in its infancy, it does not prevent the building under apache
way. In fact, many apache projects are built from 0. And mentors also don't
think this is a big problem.
Thanks,
Eason
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Why are you arguing this with me?
I am not saying anything about the future, or nothing about whether this
project is good or not.
The risk and challenges are only things that could happen based on the
current status, community-level only.
And it is higher than some projects had a larger or more active community.
That is a factor, isn't it?
Sheng Wu ????
Twitter, wusheng1108
Eason Chen <daerduoc...@qq.com> ??2020??8??14?????? ????3:51??????
> &gt;1. Just open-sourced
> &gt;3. Community development would be a challenge
>
>
> As mentioned earlier, the project is still in its infancy. I also asked
> the mentors how to build the community. I believe that with the help of
> apache way and the mentors, we have reasons and confidence to make products
> more diversified and build a healthy internationalization community.
>
>
> &gt;2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
>
>
>
> Event is a huge ecosystem, and especially eventmesh will be a very
> promising direction??currently such products are scarce, but the demand
will
> be greater
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Eason Chen <daerduoc...@qq.com&gt; ??2020??8??14?????? ????2:43??????
>
> &gt; Our product has actually received a lot of attention from people.
We
> have
> &gt; conducted communication with many people and collected their
> opinions. We
> &gt; plan to abstract eventmesh more independently, make product
> positioning
> &gt; clearer, and make it easier for everyone to participate. We will
> invest
> &gt; more time and energy to build the community.
> &gt;
>
> I think you misunderstand Ming's and my points,
> We are not saying you have to have a large community, for now, we are
> asking you to make sure, your statement/proposal is matching your current
> status.
>
> Do you mean, the project community is more active than I found?
> If so, I would like to ask for more materials(including open discussion,
> news, blogs, issue, pull requests) to prove your points, EN and CN are both
> fine for me.
>
> I hope the status could be clear before any formal vote.
>
> Sheng Wu ????
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
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> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust
the
> proposal to
> &gt; match
> &gt; &amp;gt; the reality. Such as
> &gt; &amp;gt; 1. Just open-sourced
> &gt; &amp;gt; 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
> &gt; &amp;gt; 3. Community development would be a challenge
> &gt;
> &gt; As mentioned in wusheng??s previous email, the challenge should be
> stated in
> &gt; the proposal.
> &gt;
> &gt; Thanks,
> &gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp;amp; Apache SkyWalking
> &gt; Twitter: _WenMing
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Eason Chen <daerduoc...@qq.com&amp;gt; ??2020??8??14??????
????10:52??????
> &gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; Thanks for your help and answers @Duane, i will
initiate the
> voting
> &gt; &amp;gt; processs later if you have no other questions.
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt;
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> &gt; &amp;gt; ????:&amp;amp;nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh
Proposal
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; I work for Solace and have consulted internally to
confirm
> that we do
> &gt; not
> &gt; &amp;gt; have any copyright or trademark on the term ??Event
Mesh??.
> It??s true
> &gt; it is
> &gt; &amp;gt; something our products are closely aligned with, but
it is an
> &gt; industry term
> &gt; &amp;gt; that has been adopted by Gartner and is gaining
traction in
> the
> &gt; industry.
> &gt; &amp;gt; Solace does not oppose the term being used in other
> applicable
> &gt; products or
> &gt; &amp;gt; projects.
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; +1 (non-binding) on the idea.
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; Cheers,
> &gt; &amp;gt; Duane
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM heng du <
> duhengfore...@apache.org
> &gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; wrote:
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Hi @Michael
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Thanks for your advice. As far as I
know,
> Solace doesn't
> &gt; have a
> &gt; &amp;gt; product
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; called Eventmesh, They're just
using that name
> to promote
> &gt; their PubSub
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; platform.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; But in order not to cause trouble
in the
> future, I also ask
> &gt; guys of
> &gt; &amp;gt; Apache
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Brand to help check whether this
name is
> appropriate. For
> &gt; us, we've
> &gt; &amp;gt; been
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; using the name EventMesh for a long
time, and
> we want to
> &gt; keep it so
> &gt; &amp;gt; that
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; users can get better product
positioning from
> the name.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; And base on this document[1], we
searched in
> the U.S. Patent
> &gt; &amp;gt; Office[2] and
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; found nothing inappropriate.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; [1]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; [2] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Thanks
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Henry
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Michael Andr?? Pearce <
> michael.andre.pea...@me.com
> &gt; .invalid&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; ??2020??8??6??????
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; ????3:33??????
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Hi
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Im PMC member from
ActiveMQ project.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; I like the idea,
nice. +1 on it as
> a project idea.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; I am though a
little -1 on the name
> of the project,
> &gt; I would
> &gt; &amp;gt; recommend
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; that an alternative
name for the
> project is found as
> &gt; there maybe
> &gt; &amp;gt; a conflict
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; in rights ability
to copyright and
> trademark to it.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; I??m aware there is
a commercial
> vendor messaging
> &gt; company called
> &gt; &amp;gt; Solace,
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; where they use and
market their
> product with heavy
> &gt; use of the
> &gt; &amp;gt; name Event
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Mesh, you can see
this just
> googling event mesh,
> &gt; brings back many
> &gt; &amp;gt; hits to
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; their products,
marketing material
> and other
> &gt; records, so they may
> &gt; &amp;gt; hold a
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; heavy claim to this
name.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Best
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Michael
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; On
4 Aug 2020, at
> 18:33, Kevin Ratnasekera <
> &gt; &amp;gt; djkevincr1...@gmail.com&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; wrote:
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Hi
Easen,
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
+1, Having worked in a
> similar domain so
> &gt; far, I have to say
> &gt; &amp;gt; this is an
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
interesting project.
> If you are seeking new
> &gt; mentors, please
> &gt; &amp;gt; consider
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; adding
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; me
as a mentor to the
> project.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
Regards
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
Kevin
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; On
Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at
> 3:34 PM Eason Chen <
> &gt; &amp;gt; daerduoc...@qq.com&amp;amp;gt; wrote:
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Good time
> of the time to all!
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; I'd like
> to bring this new
> &gt; interesting project for the
> &gt; &amp;gt; discussion,
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; comments
> and feedback with the aim
> &gt; of starting a formal
> &gt; &amp;gt; [VOTE] of its
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; acceptance
> into Incubator.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; People
> behind this project aren't
> &gt; new to Apache: some of
> &gt; &amp;gt; them were
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; behind
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; the Apache
> RocketMQ, which I
> &gt; consider a huge
> &gt; &amp;gt; success(especially in
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; China)as
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; the
> community is literally thriving
> &gt; almost 3 years after
> &gt; &amp;gt; the
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; graduation.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; I have
> been involved a little bit
> &gt; with this project when
> &gt; &amp;gt; it just
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; started
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; in WeBank
> a few years ago. And I'd
> &gt; like to emphasize
> &gt; &amp;gt; that the community
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; however
> small it might look so far,
> &gt; has been aligned
> &gt; &amp;gt; with Apache ways
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; of
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; doing
> things. Heng Du (from
> &gt; RocketMQ PMC) is very
> &gt; &amp;gt; instrumental in
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; tirelessly
> helping this group to
> &gt; learn what it means to
> &gt; &amp;gt; be a truly open
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; source
> project.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; The code
> is already under ALv2 and
> &gt; is publicly
> &gt; &amp;gt; available. As you will
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; see
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; it has a
> lot of dependency
> &gt; connections with the rest of
> &gt; &amp;gt; Apache
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; ecosystem
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; and IMO
> will fit very well here and
> &gt; continue to grow the
> &gt; &amp;gt; community.
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; The
> project's proposal is available
> &gt; at [1].
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; Thank you
> very much for the
> &gt; feedback you're willing to
> &gt; &amp;gt; provide!
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &amp;amp;amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
> &amp;amp;amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;
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> &gt;
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
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