Ok my mistake about Solr. I thought it was a TLP. 

As to the second half of what I said still this doesn’t look like a failure to 
gain a community and stable management. Omid and Tephra code is now under 
Phoenix. The Phoenix TLP has a community and stable management. Just like 
Lucene has a community and stable management.


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andrew Purtell <andrew.purt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Those aren’t comparable though, right?
>> 
>> Solr was a sub project that graduated to a TLP.
> 
> Solr is a sub project of Lucene.
>> 
>> Omid and Tephra are projects that instead of becoming TLP’s “graduated” into 
>> the existing Phoenix TLP. 
>> 
>> Not the same thing. 
> 
> Exactly.
>> 
>> And also I don’t believe this result is unsuccessful. Neither Omid or Tephra 
>> code bases are read only or discarded. Omid and Tephra past or future 
>> contributors still have a code base and community to work with. Past Omid 
>> and Tephra committers can become Phoenix committers. Phoenix is a stable 
>> TLP. This looks like a success. 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Justin,
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI,
>>>> 
>>>>> I’m going to change podlings.xml to reflect these as “graduated”. If 
>>>>> after discussion we have consensus to change these to “retired” then the 
>>>>> change is easy.
>>>> 
>>>> To officially graduate that would need a board proposal would it not?
>>> 
>>> To graduate as a TLP yes. To graduate as a subproject of an existing TLP 
>>> no. [1]
>>> 
>>> So there are two kinds of graduation as a subproject: successful like Solr, 
>>> DistributedLog, … and unsuccessful like Omid and Tephra. Certainly the 
>>> “success” here is hard to measure. Your analysis in the future should 
>>> consider the resolution tag which has '<resolution tlp="true”/>’ for the 
>>> TLPs.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> [1] 
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#whether_to_graduate_to_subproject_or_to_top_level_project
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Justin
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