On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 15:58, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hi - > > > On Apr 5, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Serge Huber <shu...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > If I may contribute my view here. > > > > Using StackOverflow is mostly great for StackOverflow. The more people go > > there to post questions and get answers really helps mostly StackOverflow's > > bottom line. Also, StackOverflow does NOT allow to simply link to sites for > > answers, which is smart on their part but very annoying for communities > > such as Apache (can't link to an Apache project's site for example). > > Instead the "answers content" must be directly in the answer, so you never > > leave StackOverflow. > > > > I usually get the following responses when encouraging somebody to post on > > a mailing list: > > - a mailing list? Those still exist? > > - I don't like mailing lists, I have a single question, I don't want to > > subscribe just to ask a single question > > - why can't I use StackOverflow? > > - don't make this harder for me > > - I don't have time for this > > - I give up, you're just some nostalgic oldtimer that wants everyone to use > > Newsgroups, text files, and IRC :) > > > > I also agree that if StackOverflow goes bankrupt one day, potentially all > > the content is lost forever, whereas Apache now has been very good at > > demonstrating it is resilient. > > That is a concern, but I also agree that it is good to help users wherever > they may be. > > A number of projects use Slack to help users. > > > > > Ideally, content should be easy to search, so better indexing of the > > mailing lists would be great, and it should be easier to ask just a > > question and get an answer. > > If you want to improve how apache mailing lists are searched then you can > contribute to the Apache Pony Mail (incubating) project which is the software > that runs https://lists.apache.org. > > It uses Solr.
It uses ElasticSearch. > The UX for search could use improvement. IMO. Agreed, the search options are currently quite limited. > > > > Therefore if we had an alternative to StackOverflow that was well indexed, > > rightly available and hosted at Apache it would be the best of both worlds. > > Improvements can always be made email d...@ponymail.apache.org > > > > > In the meantime, I think it is a necessary evil to have to answer questions > > on StackOverflow, and at the same time find ways to encourage people to use > > the mailing lists more. I try to encourage the usage of PonyMail as much as > > possible. > > Exactly, and contributors to PonyMail would be welcomed. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > Regards, > > Serge... > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:11 PM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:35 PM James Bognar <jamesbog...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >>> ...Apache is sorely in need of a portal similar to StackOverflow... > >> > >> What makes you think we need our own service, as opposed to helping > >> our users where they are? > >> > >> As Ted said in this thread: > >> > >>> Just subscribe to appropriate tags on stack overflow and direct > >>> notifications to the dev list. > >> > >>> ...Using mailing lists for > >>> everything is one of the top Apache-Way principles.... > >> > >> All decisions related to project development must happen on a > >> project's dev list, or be relayed there. > >> > >> But apart from that projects are welcome to use any channels that help > >> them reach their users. > >> > >> -Bertrand > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
