Hi Sam

Thanks for the rough cut list as it gives me more of the context so I can see 
where to select projects from for comparison. My thought is to do some analysis 
with Kibble as I did with my previous paper (summary version  is here 
https://s.apache.org/rguz and full version is here https://s.apache.org/y9Mv) 
and maybe follow it up with a survey or interview of the mentors or PMC members.

Will let people know when I have some details / results to share.

Thanks
Sharan 

On 2019/04/01 19:21:39, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: 
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:11 PM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Most of the projects mentioned so far have been “internal”
> >
> >
> > Only because all the umbrella-derived projects haven't been mentioned. Most
> > of that "spin out to a TLP" was done a decade ago, so they've been omitted
> > from discussion.
> >
> >
> > > - code developed to help run the ASF. “External” projects also go
> > > straight-to-TLP and are more important because they have many more users
> > > and greater impact on the world.
> > >
> >
> > I recall only two "external" projects have gone straight-to-TLP: Serf,
> > Zest/Polygene. I'm guessing Dave, et al, will surface others, if they
> > exist. I would disagree with your latter statement; they went to TLP based
> > on oversight, rather than on userbase/impact.
> >
> > I would suggest: the 90% of straight-to-TLP have been "internal" or
> > "spun-out".
> 
> My rough cut:
> 
> Straight to TLP:
>   Bahir, DRAT, Kibble, Orc, Serf, STeVe, Whimsy, Zest
> 
> Pre-incubator:
>   Ant, Avalon, Cocoon, DB, HTTP Server, Jakarta, Perl, PHP, TCL, XML
> 
> Spun out from elsewhere:
>   Archiva, Arrow, Avro, Axis, BookkeeperA, Camel, Continuum, Excalibur,
>   Forrest, Gump, Hadoop, HBase, HiveMind, HTTPComponents, JAMES, JMeter,
>   Karaf, Logging Services, Lucene, Mahout, Maven, Mina, POI, Quetzalcoatl,
>   Royale, Santuario, Shale, Struts, Tiles, Tomcat, Turbine, Velocity,
>   Web Services< Xalan, Xerces, XML Graphics, Yetus, Zookepper
> 
> Non-code PMC:
>   Attic, Community Development, Incubator, Labs, Public Relations
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 
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