The images have been deleted. The sample containing them has been deleted. Of the millions of lines of code in Apache NetBeans, the deleted sample is so completely unimportant that it is impossible to express its unimportance. There isn’t even a metaphor I can think of to illustrate this. Thanks, let’s stop discussing this topic.
Gj On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 07:49, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > It appears a jira issue was updated about the cat photo IP and what to > do about it. My 2p is park the cat thing there, give it a chance to > proceed, and let's move on. > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1820?focusedCommentId=16805839&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-16805839 > > I'm excited about netbeans becoming an apache TLP, and also interested > in learning if there are things in that process (beyond the photo > snatching) other podlings like the one I am should be careful of. > > Cheers, > -A > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:35 PM Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I agree please email the author of the cat photo or find another cat. > > This topic is boring and probably there are actual important things we > > are defocused from when focusing so massively on this photo. > > > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:51 AM Davor Bonaci <da...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > The issue at hand is simply called theft, and everyone (both inside and > > > outside the community) is most welcome to point it out and ask for it > to be > > > fixed. We thank those individuals who point it out, whether in IPMC or > > > otherwise, and look for ways to address it as soon as possible. > > > > > > Fixing this issue is in the best interest of the foundation, the > project, > > > the community, the release manager, the copyright owner... everyone. We > > > don't push back on this. We don't look for reasons why the individual > has > > > no standing in pointing it out. We don't find excuses. (If we do and/or > > > continue as nothing happened, we'd just make a case that the theft was > > > willful and action negligent -- we do not do that.) > > > > > > So... to be direct -- just fix the damn problem, thank Justin for > pointing > > > it out, and stop arguing. > > > > > > You may find that fixing the problem requires no code changes. If you'd > > > just politely email the copyright owner, explain the situation, that > ASF is > > > a charity, offer to promote the photographer in legal notices, you may > find > > > that a reasonable person will just grant you the permission you need > and > > > thank you for helping promote his work. This is particularly true if > you > > > ask for a few photos, out of the photographer's huge collection. It is > > > often as simple as that. (Try that instead of arguing here, but make > sure > > > to phrase things properly so that everyone understands all > implications of > > > licensing downstream and upstream.) > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:31 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Craig Russell < > apache....@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> .... > > > > >>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably > mean > > > > >> that they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area > even if > > > > they > > > > >> do get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval. > > > > >> > > > > >> We have to look at risk here. Is there a risk that the owner of > the > > > > images > > > > >> is going to make trouble? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am kind of stunned to hear this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The web site where the images came from says: > > > > > > > > > > We have an extensive commercial picture library of professional > Nature > > > > and > > > > >> Pet photographs. Our images are sold on a rights managed basis > and can > > > > be > > > > >> bought for specific and exclusive uses. All the images on this > website > > > > are > > > > >> ©Warren Photographic and watermarked with our logo. > > > > > > > > > > (see https://www.warrenphotographic.co.uk/about.php) > > > > > > > > > > This sounds a lot like serious photographers trying to make a > living. > > > > > Anybody who goes to the trouble of watermarking their images is > pretty > > > > > serious about their work and about people stealing that work. > > > > > > > > > > But aside from that, quite frankly, Apache is not in the business > of > > > > > judging whether somebody is powerful enough or aware enough or rich > > > > enough > > > > > or even just cantankerous enough to make trouble for us about > copyright > > > > > infringement. > > > > > > > > This is way over the top. Please don't go there. > > > > > > > > > We don't even do adversarial forks of open source material > > > > > where the license says that it is perfectly fine to do. > > > > > > > > > > So how can anybody imagine that it is OK to steal some images from > people > > > > > who do not grant the rights to use just because they aren't likely > to > > > > "make > > > > > trouble"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not arguing that the image issue does not need to be resolved. > Just > > > > the opposite. > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should have elaborated: Is there a risk that during the > next few > > > > weeks that it will take us to either get permission or remove the > image > > > > that the owner is going to make trouble? > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What do other IPMC members think? > > > > >> > > > > >> I think that if others want to dig into the details, I would > encourage > > > > >> them to do so. But at this point, I do not believe that the > issues you > > > > >> raised warrant a -1 on the release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The issue of the photos has been previously raised. The suggested > > > > solution > > > > > was to delete the photos. > > > > > > > > > > It should be done. > > > > > > > > Craig L Russell > > > > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation > > > > c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo < > > > > http://db.apache.org/jdo> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
