On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:04 AM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:05 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:00 AM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >... > > > > > As far as I know every member can become IPMC member. So if we change > the > > > rules that every member vote is binding (whether or not they are in the > > > IPMC) people wouldn't need to join the club. > > > > > > > The legal structure passes through the IPMC. Members are irrelevant in > this > > scenario. > > > > I'm not sure I understand. But either way I don't believe members are > irrelevant. Looking at the Incubator site[1] it says "Foundation members > may willingly join the IPMC at any time, [...]" and if they do only to vote > but not to participate in any other way then that would be one way to > reduce membership (by allowing them to vote without being IPMC members) > > Maybe you can rephrase your comment for me? I may misunderstand. > The legal structure of the Foundation is built upon oversight from the Board, to the PMCs, to the communities. The individuals who reside within the IPMC are ... individuals. If Members happen to be individuals that are participating within the IPMC, that is wholly orthogonal to everything constructed. Yes, the IPMC gives them preferential treatment to *join* the IPMC, but they are peers, just like every other person in the community. The legal structure is built upon a PMC providing (3) +1 votes on a release. To be clear: PMC Members. Those with responsibility around the community producing the release. Foundation Members have zero say in any of the technical communities. None. They must earn their merit, and join a PMC to get a binding vote. Their Membership in the Foundation does not give them any privilege. So, no... a Foundation Member should not get a privileged vote within the Incubator PMC. Expand it more broadly: the Board is the representative group of the Members. They completely and actively shun any attempt to direct/vote in the technical communities. There are two very distinct groups: those in the technical communities, and those assisting with the Foundation's administrative side. Members are in the latter, and they should not get a vote in Incubator/podling releases. They must *join* the technical community, via merit, to be afforded that right. Cheers, -g
