Thanks for the feedback everyone.

The general outline makes sense to me and it is reassuring that I didn't
miss anything too obvious.

I'll wait to see if a discussion is going to develop on the exact form this
is going to happen in.

Cheers,
Lars

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 11:14 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:

> Hi Lars,
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 5:35 PM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ...Proposals (and this especially) are a way to be granted something
> that you
> > usually have to work for (prove merit)....
>
> I agree that being listed as an initial committer on podling proposals
> is a way to get committership without necessarily demonstrating merit
> in the ASF.
>
> And that might lead people to becoming PMC members once their podling
> graduate.
>
> In podlings what I've been mentoring I have often asked for the list
> of PMC members to be reviewed before graduation, to verify that those
> people have earned their role by providing value to the podling. I
> think that's a good filter to avoid the problem the you mention.
>
> For straight-to-TLP projects, like your Training proposal, I think the
> initial PMC should consist only of Apache Members. We haven't had many
> of those so far so I don't think we have a rule for that but that
> seems reasonable, as there's no guidance outside of the PMC for a
> straight-toTLP project.
>
> Once the project is created the PMC can elect committers as quickly as
> it wants, and decide who can also join the PMC.
>
> I think saying "The initial PMC of a straight-to-TLP project consists
> of Apache Members only" gives you a simple rule to accept candidates,
> is reassuring for the Board when it accepts creating the project and
> doesn't block quick project growth in any way. I recommend using that
> rule for your Training project if it aims to go straight to TLP.
>
> Interested people can still be listed somewhere but the best way for
> them to demonstrate interest is to join the project's lists once
> created.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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