On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:13 AM mck <m...@apache.org> wrote: > John, thanks for the time and input. My replies are inline. > > > > > = Proposal = > > > The goal of this proposal is to bring the existing Skywalking > > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking codebase and existing > > > developers and community into the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) in > > > order to build a global, diverse and self-governed open source > community > > > in APM field. > > > > > > > Who owns this code? Will an SGA be provided, or ICLAs from contributors? > > If ICLAs, are there any of the current 16 contributors who will not > > provide an ICLA? > > > I gone through this wil Sheng. An SGA will be provided as well as an > ICLA from contributors. > Sheng will bring this up with the community and seek confirmation from > all the committors there, including that he shall be the representative > of the 'OpenSkywalking Organization' to sign the SGA. >
Sorry, just saw this. I don't believe that is correct. Is the organization a legal entity? I would strongly recommend going the ICLA route. Do all files in the repository have the copyright claim "Copyright 2017, OpenSkywalking Organization All rights reserved." ? > > > > > This project started in Open Source on GitHub about more than 2 years > > > ago. Beginning with a small SDK and collector. So far the > OpenSkywalking > > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization governs the project > > > through the PMC and Committer Team. The major contributors are from > > > Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor), Alibaba Group, > > > dangdang.com and cloudwise (APM vendor). > > > > > > > > While its understandable outside of Apache the contributions come from > > companies, while within Apache the contributions should be expected from > > individuals. Although I highly like the openness I see from this > > project. > > > The language here has been corrected. > That companies have been behind *individuals* is information provided > separately in the "Affiliations" section. > Is it a problem in the other places it is mention in the proposal? > > > > > > == Core Developers == > > > The core developers are a diverse group of experienced open source > > > developers and team leaders. > > > * PMC members – > > > > > > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#project-management-committee-pmc > > > * Committer Team members – > > > > > > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#committer-team > > > > > > Please replace this with a list of all current contributors, with names > > in english. > > > The PMC section is removed. And all names in english, with the name in > chinese following. > It's also been pointed out the english names should appear in the "from" > field in emails sent to the list. > > > > > > === Language and Culture === > > > Concerns have been raised about language challenges and, as is typical > > > for developers not strong in english, aware that the community can be > > > shy in a debate or disagreement when english is used. Having looked > > > through the project's history this concern can be seen to be minor. The > > > commitlog is in english, and so are the tickets and the pull requests. > > > The website and documentation is equally both english and chinese. The > > > community has been strict upon itself to ensure it became and stays so. > > > The use of chinese should not be seen as a problem, it is a > multilingual > > > world, but it is important that english speakers feel included and able > > > to contribute freely to the project without having to ask for > > > translations. To deal with poor or broken english it's important that a > > > gentler and inclusive community is fostered. > > > > > > > Where have concerns over language challenges been raised? > > > This was in private chat and a zoom video call between Sheng and myself. > So it's not a documented event. > Sheng, maybe you also had similar conversations also with Luke? > > > > > > == Git Repositories == > > > * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking.git > > > * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking-ui.git > > > > > > > > The ASF does offer "gitbox" or writable github repositories. If this is > > something useful to you, I would recommend it, especially if you're > > already using github. > > > Thanks for this info! > This is desired. The proposal has been updated. > > > > > == Initial Incubator PMC == > > > * 吴晟, Sheng Wu @wu-sheng > > > * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng @peng-yongsheng > > > * 张鑫, Xin Zhang @ascrutae > > > > > > == Initial Committer == > > > * 吴晟, Sheng Wu @wu-sheng > > > * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng @peng-yongsheng > > > * 张鑫, Xin Zhang @ascrutae > > > * 高洪涛, Hongtao Gao @hanahmily > > > * 柏杨, Yang Bai @bai-yang > > > * 王凯, Kai Wang @oracle219 > > > * 李运涛, Yuntao Li @lytscu > > > * 汪盛, Sheng Wang @titsquid > > > * 司冬雪, Dongxue Si @IluckySi > > > * 张科伟, Kewei Zhang @zhangkewei > > > > > > > > > These two sections concern me. Note that podlings have PPMCs. I cannot > > accept three new IPMC members on a podling proposal without much > > explanation about how they are familiar with the Apache Way. > > > > Typically, podlings come into the Incubator with the PPMC == the initial > > committers. Is that what you are trying to convey here? > > > Correct. These were intended as PPMC, not IPMC. > The two separate lists here have been replaced with just the one > "committor" list. > > > > I'm not sure why there are names with @ in front. Are these proposed ASF > > usernames? > > > No. They were github usernames. They've been replaced with email > addresses. > > > regards, > Mick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
