Mentor here catching up on things here after being offline for a week...

Wow. This rather blew up! A couple of things I wanted to say, in addition to an ACK that this mentor is paying attention (as much as the email backlog is caught up, anyways).

- I think there is a very fair point brought up by Craig/Justin/John at the gray line between "Apache Fluo" and "fluo.io". However, I will say that I do *not* think this is remotely close to the level that we've seen in other TLPs as of late (will avoid explicit finger-pointing). That said, I think the outcome that the PPMC has came to on their own as next steps is healthy (see dev@fluo list). I also plan to address why some of these software tools which were developed in tandem with Fluo (pre-Apache) were not included with the original incubation proposal (I hadn't realized they were listed on the website as they were). I would venture most are unintentional omissions as the website came verbatim from pre-Apache fluo. The podling has already been responsive to my nit-picks on ASF and Incubator branding requests that I put forth to them.

- One thing that initially worried me is that a software release was being -1'd over podling branding (the later concession to separate the topics did make me happy). Proper branding for podlings, especially ones that have a pre-Apache life, is obviously tricky to do well and cycles of the review are inevitable. However, given how difficult creating properly-licensed ASF releases is, should branding concerns be lumped into release votes? Is there another mechanism by which we as IPMC can give feedback to podlings at a time which they are not already stressed trying to make a software release?

I'm reminded of John's https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 which was a great high-level insight across podlings. Are branding-audits something that mentors could drive with their PPMC directly with shepherds/IPMC bringing their concerns directly to the PPMC/metnors (to avoid licensing becoming entangled with branding)? IPMC would obviously still have the ability to escalate things in very heinous situations, but -1'ing releases for website issues doesn't sit right with me presently (I'm happy to be taught otherwise, too).

- Josh

Christopher wrote:
Consider this vote canceled, until we can work through some of the issues
identified in the thread.

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 2:14 PM Christopher<ctubb...@apache.org>  wrote:

In preparation for a 1.0.0-incubating release of Fluo, the Fluo team is
first separately releasing a parent POM. This release passed a PPMC vote on
the Fluo dev@ list here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/2f801cc81b7eab1f3438da23d8973626755a77e9038f80cce2b30ae9@%3Cdev.fluo.apache.org%3E

Please consider the following candidate for Fluo Parent POM 1-incubating.

Git Commit:
     (https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-fluo.git)
     e9ed4334dd4cc5df27def417f26d6d7362470cb8
Branch:
     fluo-parent-1-rc2

If this vote passes, a gpg-signed tag will be created using:
     git tag -f -m 'Apache Fluo Parent POM 1-incubating' -s
rel/fluo-parent-1-incubating e9ed4334dd4cc5df27def417f26d6d7362470cb8

Staging repo:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachefluo-1003
Source (official release artifact):
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachefluo-1003/org/apache/fluo/fluo-parent/1-incubating/fluo-parent-1-incubating-source-release.tar.gz
(Append ".sha1", ".md5", or ".asc" to download the signature/hash for a
given artifact.)

Signing key fingerprint is: 8CC4F8A2B29C2B040F2B835D6F0CDAE700B6899D

Please vote one of:
[ ] +1 - I have verified and accept...
[ ] +0 - I have reservations, but not strong enough to vote against...
[ ] -1 - Because..., I do not accept...
... these artifacts as the 1-incubating release of Apache Fluo Parent POM.

This vote will end on Tue Aug 02 18:30:00 UTC 2016
(Tue Aug 02 14:30:00 EDT 2016 / Tue Aug 02 11:30:00 PDT 2016)

Thanks!

P.S. Hint: download the whole staging repo with
     wget -erobots=off -r -l inf -np -nH \
     https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachefluo-1003/
     # note the trailing slash is needed




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