+1 for clearing the name early based on the many comments already listed. -s p.s. I'm a committer on Airflow.
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:43 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > TBH, I'm a bit surprised with the answer provided by Shane in the JIRA. My > understanding has been that branding is an important part of incubation, so > hearing that it should come near the conclusion is a bit perplexing. > > Hopefully he can provide some clarification of it. > > John > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:19 PM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > +1 for doing it early. Waiting to the bitter end can delay graduation, > and > > a podling rename can be disruptive. > > > > IMO part of incubation is about establishing and learning how to protect > > your brand. Establishing a brand is not an exercise you want to have to > do > > twice. > > > > -Taylor > > > > > On May 27, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < > > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > > > > > I’ve always done the podling name search right away. I’m not > > > sure where that comment came from from Shane - my experience > > > has been the opposite. > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > > Chief Architect > > > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > > > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > > > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 5/27/16, 3:35 PM, "Stian Soiland-Reyes" <st...@apache.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> I think the point is that name search is not a blocker for doing > > incubator > > >> releases - it can be time consuming and there are many other > > "bureaucratic" > > >> steps to get through in the beginning like IP clearance and license > > >> checking. > > >> > > >> For brand new projects, name search can therefore be delayed - their > > name > > >> is less important as their community will be fully within the > incubator > > to > > >> start with. > > >> > > >> However I think for established distributed projects moving to the > > >> incubator it is more important to sort name earlier - it can be > > disruptive > > >> enough for the community with the change of infrastructure and the > > >> formalities, so you may might not want to confuse them again with a > new > > >> name many months later - effectively changing all infrastructure > again. > > >> > > >> Some podlings found their name could be tricky trademark wise and had > to > > >> change, but getting together and deciding a new name can even be a > good > > >> thing, as it breaks any legacy corporate ownership and builds a new > > >> collective identity. > > >>> On 27 May 2016 7:20 p.m., "Balaji Ganesan" <bgane...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Podling namesearch is essential step that needs to be completed > before > > the > > >>> podling graduates. There is no specific guidance, as far as i know, > on > > what > > >>> stage of podling you should do it. > > >>> > > >>> That said, it would be better to do this early enough and get > approval > > on > > >>> the name. If there is any reason to change name, due to a conflict, > it > > is > > >>> better to do it before releases are made and community starts > building > > >>> around. Name change is always a pain. > > >>> > > >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jakob Homan <jgho...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> We were getting ready to start the PNS for Airflow when I came > across > > >>>> this comment from Shane in regards to Kudu: > > >>>> > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-93 > > >>>> "This looks like a pretty good set of search data, but we usually > > >>>> don't work on resolving PODLINGNAMESEARCHES until a podling is > clearly > > >>>> established, has a release, community is building, etc." > > >>>> > > >>>> This is surprising to me and different than the last time I was > > >>>> involved in an incubating project. Is this correct? > > >>>> > > >>>> It seems more useful to determine if a name can be used early in the > > >>>> incubation, before releases, talks, thousands of lines code, package > > >>>> names, emotional attachments, etc. In the event that a podling > fails, > > >>>> nothing is lost by okaying the name early, assuming we don't attempt > > >>>> to trademark (which we haven't been for non-TLPs, I believe). > > >>>> > > >>>> Any thoughts? Any reason not to start doing the PNS for Airflow > now? > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> Jakob > > >>>> > > >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > ТÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÒÐÐ¥Fò > > Vç7V'67&–&R RÖÖ –â vVæW& Â×Vç7V'67&–&T –æ7V& F÷"æ 6†Ræ÷&pФf÷" > FF—F–öæ > >  6öÖÖ æG2 RÖÖ –â vVæW& ÂÖ†VÇ –æ7V& F÷"æ 6†Ræ÷&pÐ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
