Hey all, hope this finds you well. : o)
For now I'll leave my Jedi mind power aside: As part of the proposing community I was following this conversation with mixed feelings. On one side I think it is good to see some healthy conversation about a topic, on the other side it feels a bit weird to see such a conversation rising on top of our proposal. We, as a community, will welcome anybody who wants to work with us and contribute whatever kind of knowledge, understanding, support, or even code ; o). Now I will turn my Jedi mind power on: I love to see the interest of so many skilled members and their offer to mentor. And I believe, if they are strongly heading towards becoming a mentor they had replied to this thread explaining why they believe the decision we made in regards to number of mentors is bad. Maybe this was unclear, we as a community talked about the numbers of mentors we believe is healthy to us, it was not a decision made by Ross or any other mentor we have nominated. Joining Apache, preparing the proposal, nominating the initial committers, and agreeing on mentors is a process governed by our community by having a healthy discussion and finding consensus on all of these things. We have a saying here in Germany: "Zu viele Köche verderben den Brei." (translates to: "Too many cooks spoil the broth."), and we believe that a selected number of mentors will help us understanding the Apache process even better than having a large number of people arguing for the arguing's sake. (Sorry if this is too offensive, but this conversation felt like this to me.) Cheers *Markus Geiss* Chief Architect RADAR, The Mifos Initiative mge...@mifos.org | Skype: mgeiss.mifos.org | Mobil: +49.152.295.05306 | http://mifos.org <http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > I'll repeat again, we want contributors who will work within the > community. Nobody is turned away. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Tim Williams<mailto:william...@gmail.com> > Sent: 12/5/2015 8:15 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [PORPOSAL] Fineract > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Ross Gardler > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > Nobody is turned away. > > Jedi mind tricks won't work on me Ross:) When someone says, "We are > not seeking more." it is the same as being turned away. > > For the rest of it, I reckon we'll have to agree to disagree. The > bottom line is, someone [Jim] who's eminently qualified to help mentor > a new group of folks volunteered. It's fair to assume that he, I, and > you understand that he understood what that role was when he > volunteered. > > >Mentors don't do the work. Contributors do. Mentors do not make > decisions. Contributors so. Mentors have " binding votes" but that is just > because of the structure we have in the ASF, a good mentor will only ever > use that vote to enact the wishes of the community. > > I understand just as well as you how things work Ross. Please check > yourself before going into condescending-lecture-mode, it's remarkably > uncool and uninviting. As a dood, its really weird to be mansplained > to! But, thanks Champ! > > > This is the opposite of "counter cultural". > > Which would be... cultural? Meaning, you're suggesting it's the norm > to turn away ridiculously qualified volunteers for a particular role > in a community? > > > Contributors are what matter not mentors. > > Seems another mind trick. While in incubation mentors are > contributors - contributors to cultural understanding. They > contribute to helping a podling bootstrap in our infrastructure and > grok the Apache Way. To turn away a potential mentor is to turn away > a contributor. Ignoring a mentor's impact/contributions to a > community seems naive at best. > > Regardless of the semantics, on a practical level, a person like Jim > shows up offering to help a new community understand how to develop > community-driven software, I say *you take the help*. Period. Same > for Greg, which you apparently agreed based on some arbitrary N<=3. > > Again, I wish you and Fineract the best... > > --tim > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
