And sometimes, s/spare/sparring partner/ :) I find it extremely useful to have a fellow mentor to bounce ideas and perceptions off on. Sometimes having a really engaged mentor and a more loosely engaged works well, as you get both a view from the inside and the outside.
With regards, Daniel. On 10/14/2015 03:10 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > If it can work, that is very good. With intermittent availability, I have > often seen the need for a spare. > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > >> Agreed. My only comment would be that I still think that the >> optimal number of mentors is 1. >> >>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that >>> matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of >>> questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two >>> responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your >>> head on the wall. And you start wondering why you left the comfort and >>> convenience of github and whether Apache itself is fascinated by its >>> own brand. >>> >>> Before you ask, you won't get podlings to send their questions to >>> another list, because we're all too proud to ask questions which in >>> retrospect always turn out to be dumb questions. >>> >>> It's not possible to measure that kind of mentor activity, so I think >>> people are inclined to measure the "public" forms of activity as proxy >>> indicators. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>>> For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC. >>>> Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but >>>> one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I >>>> am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times. >>>> >>>> My understanding is that this is OK and its one of the reasons >>>> why we *have* multiple mentors. >>>> >>>> "Shaming" inactive mentors would be akin to "shaming" PMC members who >>>> didn't post on the dev@ list this month, or who didn't vote on a >> release >>>> or etc... >>>> >>>> I am not, of course, referring to mentors who are truly MIA month in and >>>> month out. But, as someone said, if you remove those from the equation, >>>> the list of "active" mentors is pretty constant. >>>> >>>> So the question is "Is there a difference or problem between a podling >>>> with 10 mentors, of which 4 are 'active', as compared to a podling with >>>> 4 mentors, all of which are 'active'"?? >>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds like reaching out to the inactive mentors is a great idea and >> I >>>>>>> think we have a great example here of how complicated it can be. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope. I posted that link knowing that my name would be on it, and >>>>>> advocated that we should be having exactly this discussion. I should >>>>>> either become more active on this, or (and probably more likely) >>>>>> remove myself as a mentor for this podling. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And possibly by so doing become a great example to others of us who >> can't >>>>> admit to ourselves that we are over-extended. >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
