Cos, There is no "bureaucratism outbreak". People are not "express[ing] their expectations as a law-of-the-land". People are trying, in good faith, to make sure that decisions are made consistent with the Apache ethos. And before you ask, no, that ethos cannot be written down; it has to be interpreted via debate. This is what debate sounds like.
Julian On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:36AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >> <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> >> > wrote: >> >> ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering >> >> PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?... >> > >> > How is that different from the status quo where a podling with active >> > mentors can have their releases +1ed by their mentors, requiring >> > minimal interaction with the IPMC? >> >> I think it is more of a bias issue. IOW, today it seems that the default bias >> of IPMC is to consider itself a final authority (or a gatekeeper) on podling >> releases. We need to break that bias and make it so that it is truly a safety >> net, rather than a gatekeeper. >> >> IOW, I'd like the release traffic on general@ to ONLY consist of [NOTICE] >> emails, not [VOTE]. > > We perhaps are observing the well known phenomena called self-selection bias > [1] And it seems to me that the simplification and better clarification of the > incubation guidelines might be exactly what's needed to prevent a > bureaucratism outbreak. As well as the situation when ppl express their > expectations as a law-of-the-land (even from best intentions). > > Cos > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
