While Roy is indeed a smart man, there is no BDFL in the ASF.
Quoting Roy out of context is not a Hail Mary you can just throw out
there when someone disagrees with you.
Several people, including several IPMC members have expressed concerns.
Address them properly instead of insisting on your way or the high way.
The question of diversity in this case is not "are we enough
men/women/whatever", the question here is "is there a single corporate
entity with a deciding vote in the project?".
What I am concerned with here is the responses to this. Instead of
saying "We don't believe that to be the case", the PPMC is saying
"there's no rule against that!" as if there _is_ an issue but it's being
swept under the rug.
With regards,
Daniel.
On 2015-07-21 23:19, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
Please re-read the quote from Roy:
"There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior
requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
We must not confuse the two."
and later
"I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
and I have no cycles to spare."
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:55 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote:
On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
meritocratic community."?
I think not.
If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons:
-
it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with
all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all
of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than
with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities.
-
it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that
guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a
higher change of finding real-life use of the software.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting
-
PMC and committer diversity
A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor
or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many
parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and
committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem
with the diversity, then the report should include information on the
number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and
committership.
If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines
are false
I think not.
rgds
jan I.
What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
understand how to make releases and are building community.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
nowhere.
If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman
and
yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of
intended
project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows
to
77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
regarding healthiness.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org>
wrote:
The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list
for a
number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back
in
2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who
want
to look it up in the archives MessageId is
73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com):
[quote]
There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior
requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
and I have no cycles to spare.
A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would
create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
[/quote]
Regards,
Cos
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
(Gridgrain).
Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
independece?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
dsetrak...@apache.org>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
amareshw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the
automated
and managed flow of information between systems."
I dont see any such on project website -
http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
.
You might want to correct it.
Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding
the
description
Thanks
Amareshwari
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
dsetrak...@apache.org>
wrote:
Hello Apache Incubator,
At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established
consensus
and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing
graduation to TLP.
Vote thread:
http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
Summary of the vote results:
+1 (non-binding) = 14
1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
14. Milap Wadwa
We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a
consensus
within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote.
Below is our proposed resolution:
Thank you
Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to the automated and managed flow of
information between systems.
Should be:
---------
"related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and
transacting
on large-scale data sets in real-time"
--------
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to the automated and managed flow of information
between systems and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite"
be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it
further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Ignite Project:
Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org)
Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org)
Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org)
Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org)
Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org)
Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org)
Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org)
Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org)
Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org)
Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org)
Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org)
Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org)
Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org)
Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org)
Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org)
Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org)
Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org)
Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org)
Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org)
Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org)
Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org)
Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org)
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice
President,
Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the
direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the
Apache
Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
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