It seems to me the spirit of the diversity statement is about project survival:
> A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor > or employer of contributors. So I would think satisfying that requirement wouldn’t necessarily involve a percentage, but rather a simple number: At least 3 PMC members who are not affiliated with the employer of the majority. That way if the employer of the majority departed, there would be enough remaining members for form consensus. -Taylor > On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:55 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. >> >> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A >> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse >> meritocratic community."? >> >> I think not. >> > > If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references: > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > > Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons: > > - > > it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with > all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all > of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than > with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities. > - > > it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that > guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a > higher change of finding real-life use of the software. > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting > > - > > PMC and committer diversity > > A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor > or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many > parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and > committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem > with the diversity, then the report should include information on the > number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and > committership. > > If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines > are false > > > I think not. > > > rgds > > jan I. > > >> >> >>> >>> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project >>> understand how to make releases and are building community. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to >>>> nowhere. >>>> >>>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman >> and >>>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of >> intended >>>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows >> to >>>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither >>>> regarding healthiness. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Pierre Smits >>>> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list >> for a >>>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back >> in >>>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who >> want >>>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is >>>>> 73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): >>>>> >>>>> [quote] >>>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior >>>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. >>>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a >>>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure >>>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). >>>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... >>>>> and I have no cycles to spare. >>>>> >>>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment >>>>> status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would >>>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. >>>>> [/quote] >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Cos >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation >>>>>> (Gridgrain). >>>>>> >>>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and >>>> independece? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < >>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < >>>>> amareshw...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the >>>>> automated >>>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website - >>>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ >>>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> You might want to correct it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding >>>> the >>>>>>>> description >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Amareshwari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < >>>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established >>>>>>>> consensus >>>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing >>>>>>>>> graduation to TLP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vote thread: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results: >>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) >>>>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) >>>>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) >>>>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a >>>>> consensus >>>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >>>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >>>>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >>>>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >>>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to >>>>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of >>>>>>>>> information between systems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should be: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, >>>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and >>>>> transacting >>>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time" >>>>>>> -------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >>>>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", >>>>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >>>>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is >>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software >>>>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information >>>>>>>>> between systems and be it further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" >>>> be >>>>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to >>>>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair >>>>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary >>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of >>>>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it >>>> further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >>>>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice >>>> President, >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the >>>>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the >>>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or >>>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; >>>>>>>>> and be it further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is >>>>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to >>>>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby >>>>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the >>>> Apache >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >>>>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >>
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