I believe the podling community was interested to update the report, however they were concerned about making changes after the cutoff date. (didn't want to get into more process issues...)
I agree with Ted's reply about adding the additional detail he called out in his response and moving forward. Patrick On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > So, I hate to bring this up, but I think we're at a stalemate for the > sentry podling for this month. We tend to not include a podlings report if > there are no mentor sign offs. It seems like the mentors aren't inclined > to sign off based on some of the issues that have popped up. > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi David, you and Joe have been doing great, I'm afraid I've been >> distracted with more issues at home/work than usual. I've been >> concerned, and this is more serious than usual given the fact that >> both the community and the oversight missed a serious issue, but given >> the current feedback and the response (ongoing) from the community we >> should be able to get things back on track. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Patrick >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:14 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Ted can you give some concrete examples, because I see some good >> feedback >> >> along with folks attempting to address the feedback. Processes updated >> or >> >> re-iterated, etc... I haven't seen any comments like "stop the presses >> >> till... is addressed" and that being ignored. More along the lines of an >> >> issue being raised and the community immediately working to address it. >> For >> >> example most recently giving more time to construct the board report. >> >> >> >> Failing to cc general@ on the vote is a serious issue. That's part of >> the >> >> release process though, it's documented and been followed in previous >> >> releases. Human error this time around afaict (along with the mentors, >> >> myself included, who didn't notice it till later) >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/How+to+Release >> >> >> >>> They seem oblivious to process issues >> >> >> >> Are there specific process issues that are missing and should hold up a >> >> vote? I see alot of process related details on their wiki >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home >> >> >> >> Patrick >> >> >> > >> > >> > Patrick, >> > >> > I agree with most of what you wrote. In many ways I'm worried that >> > this is a failure on the part of mentors. Very early, this morning in >> > Tokyo, it dawned on me that perhaps the mentors (esp. me) are part of >> > the problem. This isn't the first time that issues have been called >> > out with Sentry - and there does seem to be willingness to address >> > issues on the part of the project. 'We keep saying $n is problematic' >> > - and I worry (and am certainly guilty in my case) of assuming >> > everyone largely 'gets it'. I've also not shown them specific concrete >> > examples of some types of non-problematic behavior. By the time most >> > folks become a member, or join the IPMC, the Apache way of doing >> > things is second nature, and we don't always realize that it may be >> > completely foreign to folks who haven't been doing it for as long. >> > >> > I've just sent a long email to dev@ to hopefully make this clearer, >> > call out some examples, and hopefully generate a discussion on how we >> > move forward. >> > >> > --David >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
