We can omit (my tendency) or publish with notes. I think just including a note saying that there was an issue on Sentry that is being dealt with aggressively and which will be reported on monthly for a bit is sufficient. The board needs to know that they know everything they need to know. A half done report is effectively misleading. Besides, David will be at the meeting to provide any necessary back story.
I owe the group a draft of the entire report (instantly) in any case. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > So, I hate to bring this up, but I think we're at a stalemate for the > sentry podling for this month. We tend to not include a podlings report if > there are no mentor sign offs. It seems like the mentors aren't inclined > to sign off based on some of the issues that have popped up. > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Hi David, you and Joe have been doing great, I'm afraid I've been > > distracted with more issues at home/work than usual. I've been > > concerned, and this is more serious than usual given the fact that > > both the community and the oversight missed a serious issue, but given > > the current feedback and the response (ongoing) from the community we > > should be able to get things back on track. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Patrick > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:14 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote: > > >> Ted can you give some concrete examples, because I see some good > > feedback > > >> along with folks attempting to address the feedback. Processes updated > > or > > >> re-iterated, etc... I haven't seen any comments like "stop the presses > > >> till... is addressed" and that being ignored. More along the lines of > an > > >> issue being raised and the community immediately working to address > it. > > For > > >> example most recently giving more time to construct the board report. > > >> > > >> Failing to cc general@ on the vote is a serious issue. That's part of > > the > > >> release process though, it's documented and been followed in previous > > >> releases. Human error this time around afaict (along with the mentors, > > >> myself included, who didn't notice it till later) > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/How+to+Release > > >> > > >>> They seem oblivious to process issues > > >> > > >> Are there specific process issues that are missing and should hold up > a > > >> vote? I see alot of process related details on their wiki > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SENTRY/Home > > >> > > >> Patrick > > >> > > > > > > > > > Patrick, > > > > > > I agree with most of what you wrote. In many ways I'm worried that > > > this is a failure on the part of mentors. Very early, this morning in > > > Tokyo, it dawned on me that perhaps the mentors (esp. me) are part of > > > the problem. This isn't the first time that issues have been called > > > out with Sentry - and there does seem to be willingness to address > > > issues on the part of the project. 'We keep saying $n is problematic' > > > - and I worry (and am certainly guilty in my case) of assuming > > > everyone largely 'gets it'. I've also not shown them specific concrete > > > examples of some types of non-problematic behavior. By the time most > > > folks become a member, or join the IPMC, the Apache way of doing > > > things is second nature, and we don't always realize that it may be > > > completely foreign to folks who haven't been doing it for as long. > > > > > > I've just sent a long email to dev@ to hopefully make this clearer, > > > call out some examples, and hopefully generate a discussion on how we > > > move forward. > > > > > > --David > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
