> On Jan 14, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > What does it mean to "didn't sign-off" does it mean they refused to sign-off > or that they simply didn't tick a box? Does it mean they didn't even read the > report or that they didn't tick a box? > > I've said it before, I see no value in having a "naughty list" like this. > What I care about (with my Director hat on) is whether the mentors are > engaged with the project. > > If the IPMC wants to maintain a "didn't sign off list" for some internal > management reasons that's fine. But putting it in the public minutes of the > foundation is a completely different thing altogether (in fact it is already > there, it's just that individuals names are not singled out like this). > > When the data is incorrect as this thread shows it's even more of an issue.
TL;DR "naughty list” metrics are useful and the various scenarios listed above are “red herrings”. General and podling specific “opaque" metrics on mentor sign-off are just as useful and more easily digested. Mentors who refuse to sign-off are obviously engaged and would update the report to reflect their refusal and, likely, reasons for not signing as this would be a very notable event. I trust Roman to not include those mentors in the "naughty list”. Tooling issues aside. (If anything, the list has caused "naughty list” mentors to make sure the report is accurate. Frankly, I would never rescan the final report for my podlings otherwise.) I think that it’s reasonable to expect that if a mentor read a report then they would have ticked the box. Finally, it is a useful metric that provides some visibility into the amount of oversight that’s taking place. Sure, it’s a metric and does not provide total transparency and understanding but it is useful never the less. With that said, I do agree that a board report is not the appropriate venue for the Weegee paddy wagon parade. What would be more useful and more easily digested is a general top level opaque metric, e.g. 55% of the mentors signed off on reports, and then for each podling a similar metric. Anyone interested in catching me in my best herringbone wool skirt can inspect the report at individual podling level. Regards, Alan
