Yes which is why I am proposing for less change than what others are proposing.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > Careful... most mentors do a great job. The problem is when all mentors fade > away (which as volunteers they are entitled to do) and the IPMC doesn't > notice. > > Ross > > Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. > A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com] > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:50 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off > > This statement confuses the lack of active mentors with the sheer size of the > IPMC. The problem is not the size of the IPMC. The problem is that mentors > are not doing their jobs > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) >> <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Yep and let all from that 170+ person committee be tracked down for >> responsibility. Talk about s fun activity it's simply not scalable >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) >>> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: >>> >>> But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those >>> reviews, the IPMC is. >>> >>> Ross >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov] >>> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off >>> >>> It’s not a pawning off to the board - the board is already >>> responsible for reviewing the IPMC report which includes *all of the same >>> detail* that the IPMC also .. reviews. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com> >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>> <general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off >>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera >>>>> <l...@toolazydogs.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model >>>>>> >>>>>> This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything >>>>>> substantially different. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, I'm convinced this is the only fruitful path >>>>> forward, the rest is a shell game with responsibility. See the other >>>>> thread. >>>>> >>>>>>> 3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from >>>>>>> the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve >>>>>>> as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly >>>>>>> deteriorate into mindless tick-offs -- but at least it does >>>>>>> not harm). >>>>>> >>>>>> How is it that a mentor became an IPMC member and do such an >>>>>> unethical thing such as a mindless tick-off? >>>>> >>>>> We're talking about human being here. The one who never ever cut >>>>> corners in his life can cast the first stone. >>>> >>>> I think that you misunderstood my rhetorical question. 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