Yep and let all from that 170+ person committee be tracked down for responsibility. Talk about s fun activity it's simply not scalable
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those > reviews, the IPMC is. > > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov] > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off > > It’s not a pawning off to the board - the board is already responsible for > reviewing the IPMC report which includes *all of the same detail* that the > IPMC also .. reviews. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off > >> >>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera >>> <l...@toolazydogs.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model >>>> >>>> This is effectively an IPMC reboot. I don’t really see anything >>>> substantially different. >>> >>> At this point, I'm convinced this is the only fruitful path forward, >>> the rest is a shell game with responsibility. See the other thread. >>> >>>>> 3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from >>>>> the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve >>>>> as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly >>>>> deteriorate into mindless tick-offs -- but at least it does >>>>> not harm). >>>> >>>> How is it that a mentor became an IPMC member and do such an >>>> unethical thing such as a mindless tick-off? >>> >>> We're talking about human being here. The one who never ever cut >>> corners in his life can cast the first stone. >> >> I think that you misunderstood my rhetorical question. It is my >> experience/understanding that if a mentor makes an effort to review >> reports/releases then this mentor is actually doing a good job at it. >> It is my experience/understanding that the overwhelming problem is that >> mentors simply go MIA and do nothing at all. >> >> I am in favor of #3 since it holds mentors accountable. #1 is simply a >> washing of our hands and pawning the problem off on the board simple >> because some of us are unwilling to do uncomfortable things. >> >> >> Regards, >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > B KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKCB > [ X ܚX KK[XZ[ > [ \ [ > ][ X ܚX P[ X ]܋ \X K ܙ B ܈Y][ۘ[ [X[ K[XZ[ > [ \ [ > Z[ [ X ]܋ \X K ܙ B > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
