Hi! I was hoping that other mentors (who were explicitly CCed) would reply, but apparently Richard is the last mentor standing. Although we can wait for a week or so more (after all, vacations are in full swing right now) I think it is time for me to ask this question: Richard, do think that with only one active mentor on the project it has a chance to graduate any time soon?
Thanks, Roman. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Richard Frovarp <rfrov...@apache.org> wrote: > On 08/18/2014 03:40 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Richard Frovarp <rfrov...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> A lot of wind was taken out of the sails in the fights to get the IPMC >>> votes >>> necessary to finish a release. We had two votes, but needed to request >>> several times for help getting that third vote. For those that did help >>> us >>> out, thank you. However, the whole process wasn't fun or easy. With most >>> every other PMC, you're going to have enough interested parties to chip >>> in >>> and help get that release out, without asking for votes for well over a >>> week. >> >> The release process reforms adopted in December 2013 greatly mitigate >> this problem. (All Droids releases pre-date the reforms.) >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases > > > I had to read it a couple of times, but that does make it easier. Not > exactly clear how a podling gets pre-cleared, but that would make releases > much easier for a project like Droids. > > >> >> These days, I think we should have little sympathy for podlings who >> choose to wait passively for IPMC votes rather than seize the >> initiative. > > > Define "seize the initiative". You are right, our releases were made before > those changes. The last release involved 4 messages to the general@i.a.o > asking for help over the course of a month to get the votes. That one was > unfortunate as the only binding vote from the IPMC was me, so we were in > need of two binding votes. > > >> >>> That in my opinion killed releases, which helped kill development. That >>> makes growing a community difficult. I RM'd the two releases, and I >>> really >>> don't feel like doing a 3rd. >> >> That's unfortunate for Droids. >> >> But whether a community can find a way to push through the release >> process is some measure of whether it has enough energy to survive as >> a TLP -- especially now that our reforms have empowered sufficiently >> motivated podling communities to drive the process. >> >> Marvin Humphrey >> > > Well we pushed through it, twice, when you thought it was harder to do. The > problem is that it zapped a lot of the energy doing so. We made legal two > legal releases despite the problems. A couple of issues with some of the > legalities were caught when doing the first release. Once those issues were > fixed (NOTICE file was one of them), we were good. I completely understand > the need for how we do things at the ASF. I am in favor of them. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
