On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: > Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to be > someone in the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are: > > - press > - community events > - mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers) > - fast turnaround on patch reviews > - regular releases > - decent website > - tutorials > - screencasts > - public discussion (even with self while no community exists) > > Developing code for one's own use is all well can good but it does not build > community and trying to build community doesn't, in the short term, write > code. It's a catch-22. > > Personally I have no problem with a podling having low activity. A single > developer doing their thing in the incubator is not going to hurt anyone. > What I'm concerned about is a podling that is not doing any of the above > community development activities or, even worse, is ignoring potential > contributors. > > I don't think it is the responsibility of ComDev to do this, although one > could argue ComDev should be documenting these techniques in ways useful to > mentors. I don't think it is the job of mentors (or the IPMC) to do this > either. It is entirely the PPMC responsibility. In my opinion.
My thought here is that ComDev is a source of useful advice, not a group of people to do the work. > > Ross > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 27 November 2012 00:22 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: How to grow podling communities >> >> Luciano, >> >> My five cents is this: growing communities is really, really, hard, and I >> don't >> know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does, it might be the >> comdev committee. I'm not sure that this PMC can take it on. We can barely >> muster the minimal supervision that the board requires of us. If a PPMC >> wants help, it might be good for it to make contact with comdev. >> >> I hate to be such a pessimist, but I think that the incubator has to >> continue to >> shrink until the number of podlings is in balance with the available >> supervisory/mentor effort. At that point, maybe we can consider consider >> more of an effort to support in addition to supervising. >> >> Just, however, my opinion. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Luciano Resende <luckbr1...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: *Benson Margulies* >> > Date: Monday, November 26, 2012 >> > Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation >> > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >> > >> > >> > For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some >> > discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are >> > longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC. We've heading in the >> > same direction on Photark, and some consensus about how or when to >> > reach a respectful conclusion as a PMC that a project should be >> > retired even if the PPMC is not of the same opinion would be useful. >> > We cannot both say that we need projects to have active, supervising, >> > mentors and shepherds and then not, in some fashion, act on what they >> > tell us. >> > >> > ----- >> > >> > >> > I believe that the discussion we should have is how can we help >> > struggling podlings to grow their community in a sustentable way. >> > Recently, I have seen an increase in trying to push small communities >> > to retirement, but i'm yet to see active mentors engaging and helping >> > and motivating the podlings PPMC to find ways to grow. >> > >> > Growing communities when a project is backed by corporations that >> > sponsor engineers to devote their full time volunteering at the >> > project is much easier compared to those other projects that are >> > developed by a small group of people, that devote their own free time >> > and are passionate by the Apache brand, and doing truly open source >> following the Apache Way. >> > >> > With my Community development hat, I would really like to see a wide >> > discussion on how the IPMC and COMDEV PMC could find ways to help >> > these struggling podlings succeed, instead of just giving ultimates >> > for seeking retirement. Things that come to mind are : make it easier >> > for new contributors to find tasks that they could work on, more >> > visibility for podlings in Apache sponsored conferences, etc >> > >> > Thoughts ? Other possible ideas ? >> > >> > Thanks >> > -- >> > Luciano Resende >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Luciano Resende >> > http://people.apache.org/~lresende >> > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 >> > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
