On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >>> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the >>> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our >>> willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then >>> we continue by drafting a charter, submitting it for IPMC endorsement, >>> and then to the ASF Board for final approval. Details can be found >>> in the "Guide to Successful Graduation". >>> >>> Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC >>> members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. >>> >>> >>> [ ] +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the >>> Apache Incubator. >>> [ ] +0 Don't care. >>> [ ] -1 Apache OpenOffice community is not ready to graduate from the >>> Apache Incubator because... >> >> In my opinion, the issue of binary releases ought to be resolved before >> graduation. >> >> If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard requirement, >> then it seems to me that the ASF is not yet ready for AOO and will not be >> until suitable infrastructure and legal institutions to support binary >> releases (sterile build machines, artifact signing, etc) have been created >> and a policy has been endorsed by the Board. >> >> One possibility discussed in the past was to have downstream commercial >> vendors release binaries a la Subversion's example, which would >> obviate the need for all the effort and risk associated with providing >> support >> for ASF-endorsed binaries. For whatever reason, the AOO podling seems not to >> have gone this direction, though. >> > > Let's look at the the TLP's that the IPMC has recommended, and the ASF > Board has approved in recent months. Notice that a fair number of > them releae source and binaries, as does the OpenOffice podling: >
Some further documentation of IPMC practice in this regard: > Apache Lucene.Net -- releases source and binaries > IPMC voted to approve release, and vote post pointed to both source and binary artifacts: http://markmail.org/message/mt3xthcqqng7ftnw > Apache DirectMemory -- releases source only > > Apache VCL -- releases source only > > Apache Hama -- releases source and binaries > The people.a.o directory that was voted on by the IPMC is gone now. I suspect it included binaries as well. Certainly now that the podling has graduated their release candidates include binaries: http://people.apache.org/~edwardyoon/dist/0.5-RC4/ > Apache MRUnit -- releases source only > > Apache Giraph -- releases source only > > Apache ManifoldCF -- releases source and binaries > Their most recent vote was withdrawn because they graduated before the vote completed, but that IPMC vote post also pointed to both source and binary artifacts: http://markmail.org/message/op7ofi2gudwfov3z So the recent practice of the IPMC has been to approve releases with source and binaries, but also to graduate podlings that do so. Regards, -Rob > So I'm not quite sure in what way the ASF "is not ready" for a TLP > that releases binaries, or what additional legal or procedural work > needs to be done to enable this. As far as I can tell ASF projects > release binaries today. > > I agree, sterile buildbots and code signing are good things to have, > and we are working with Infra on this today, and would continue to > peruse these avenues as a TLP. > > In any case, shouldn't the question be whether the podling is ready > for the ASF rather than whether the ASF is ready for the poding? ;-) > > -Rob > > >> Marvin Humphrey >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
