I suppose. But i guess I'd rather vote on whether diversity is a requirement for graduation before I voted on the graduation itself.
Ralph On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > Isn't this why we vote. To come to a decision when consensus can't be > reached and allow people to move on. > > Patrick > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> The graduation requirements say >> >> "The project is considered to have a diverse community when it is not highly >> dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally >> independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is >> vital to the success of the project). Basically this means that when a >> project mostly consists of contributors from one company, this is a sign of >> not being diverse enough.". >> >> This doesn't specify a hard number. In fact, Roy responded to this thread >> saying he doesn't believe there even is a diversity requirement - >> >> "There is no diversity requirement for graduating from the incubator. In >> many ways, incubation hinders community growth. The requirement is that the >> project makes decisions as an Apache project, not in private, which is >> harder to get used to doing if a lot of people share the same office." >> >> So I am left a bit confused. If I go by the what the graduation page says >> literally, then all the statistics that have been generated would seem to >> show that Cloudera is vital to the success of the project. Although Arvind >> is a bit of the driving force, I'm sure if something terrible were to happen >> to him Cloudera would insure his energy was replaced. However, if something >> terrible happened to Cloudera I suspect we would have several Apache >> projects in trouble, not just Flume. >> >> While I clearly don't like some of the ways the project has chosen to >> organize itself, all those decisions were done properly and in public. >> Again, while I don't like that little discussion happens on the dev list, it >> does happen in Jira issues and in the review board, all of which is routed >> to the dev list, so again, most, if not all, of the development is done in >> public. >> >> So my answer to the question is really that I am finding it hard to >> reconcile whether we actually have or should have a diversity requirement. >> From what I've been told privately Flume would certainly not be the first >> project to graduate from the incubator in a similar situation. >> >> The other thing I find interesting is that I am also the only non-Cloudera >> mentor on the project. I find it a bit odd that while the incubator has the >> requirement for graduation it doesn't have any such requirement for a >> codling's mentors. That said, IMO every one of the mentors on the project >> has been doing a good job. >> >> One other disclaimer. My employer is a customer of Cloudera specifically for >> paid support for Flume, so I also have a vested interest in seeing both the >> project and Cloudera succeed. However, with regards to Flume's graduation, >> I haven't even discussed this issue with anyone in by $dayjob. >> >> So again - if the basis we are to use is whether a single company or entity >> is vital to a project then I don't believe Flume is quite there. OTOH I am >> not completely necessary that that is vital for graduation, in which case >> the section in the graduation requirements needs to be changed. So at this >> point the best I can do is say I'm not really sure how to vote. >> >> Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Alan Gates wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Ralph Goers >>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>> Another way of looking at these same statistics: >>>>> Cloudera - 217 >>>>> Other - 16 >>>>> >>>>> That means Cloudera is responsible for over 93% of the Jira issues. It is >>>>> great that Cloudera is doing so much work but those stats hardly prove >>>>> diversity. >>>> >>>> I was surprised to see the IPMC Flume graduation VOTE today -- I don't >>>> recall >>>> seeing another situation like it in the last couple years, where the >>>> community >>>> graduation VOTE was contended. >>>> >>>> I checked the Flume dev list archives and I don't see a message from Ralph >>>> indicating that he thinks the latest measures address the concerns that >>>> have >>>> been raised. >>>> >>> >>> Agreed. It's hard to vote for graduation for a podling when one of the >>> mentors feels strongly that the podling is not ready. >>> >>> Alan. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
