I hate the fact that these discussions continue to happen in a vacuum devoid of any grasp of the reality that mentors typically don't do a fucking thing for their podlings. No they don't discuss reports on list, nor do they offer opinions on how to grow a smallish podling's committer base, nor do they bother to sign reports even tho we have repeatedly requested they do so.
There are over a DOZEN unsigned reports RIGHT NOW in the current month's reports. If you bother to do any research to see if those podlings have had any dev-list discussion about it, you will be disappointed. Reports are treated as a bureaucratic formality that nobody bothers to read. Period. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: antel...@apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings > > On 10 January 2012 22:03, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl> > wrote: >> Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a > good report >> should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning > by doing, so I >> would still propose that a podling has a go at it themselves, before having > a mentor step >> in. In the end, this is also a question of "mentoring style" and > I think we should leave >> that up to the mentors and podlings. >> >> A mentor should be actively involved in the discussion about the report > though, ensuring >> that the end result is good. > > +1 a mentoring role is one of guiding not doing. I don't support > mentors writing reports for podlings. I expect that at least one > mentor is involved in the writing of those reports. > > If people want to ask mentors to comment on reports when they sign off > that's fine, but if you ever see that I've signed off on a report it > means that I have at least read the thread that produced the report > and might have already commented on it on the dev lists. Isn't that > how it should be? > > Do mentors sign off on reports they don't agree with? I hope not. If > not then all we need to do is ensure the mentors themselves are > capable of writing better reports. > > Ross > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
