+1, I couldn't have said it any better myself, Joe.

Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> I would like to see the Incubator someday reach the point where
> we could DISTRIBUTE our oversight across the podling lists, where
> graduation votes are largely ceremonial other than vetting the
> language, where release votes happen solely on dev lists, etc.
> 
> But we will NEVER get there and still do a responsible job of
> oversight until we can get to the point where we can reliably
> TRUST the word of a podling mentor about the state of affairs
> of a podling.  And if we've never actually read the words of
> a mentor summarizing a podling's activities, how are we supposed
> to suddenly start trusting them come graduation time?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
>> 
>> I was even thinking something like 'miss two reports, you're no longer a
>> mentor', but that might be a bit draconian :-)
>> 
>> I know I would fail according to the above criteria. But I suspect a
>> clear minimum would help keep me at least minimally connected.
>> 
>> Upayavira
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> Lame.  I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports
>>> at least for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off
>>> on the wiki.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Cc: Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:
>>>>>   Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having mentors 
>>>> 'sign'
>>>>>   the board report for their podling. Could that be encouraged, and 
>> used
>>>>>   as a sign of minimum 'activity' for a mentor?
>>>> 
>>>> How about simply sign off on podling-dev@?  Even if it is "Thanks 
>> for
>>>> drafting this!  No edits from me."
>>>> 
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