On 23 November 2011 20:11, Chris Hostetter <hossman_l...@fucit.org> wrote: > > : > * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the > : > board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf) > : > projects. > : > > : > * The Board needs regular status updates on all the projects in the ASF > : > (where podlings are considered projects) > : > : Podlings are not ASF projects. The Incubator is the ASF project. > > A rose by any other name... > > If you are going to argue that a podling is by definition "not a project", > and therefore does not need direct board oversight, then why can't some > other "Apache Foo" act as an Umbrealla above some other large set of "not > a projects" ?
Because sub-projects in Apache Foo can make independent releases using the Apache brand. Incubator podlings do not. > By your argument, that would be fine ... but by all accounts i've heard, > that is "not ok". No, I do not agree that my argument supports the logic you describe. Despite this, I agree your question, as formulated below is a valid one, and I'd like to hear opinions on it. > : The question is therefore whether or not our concern over umbrella > : projects extends to the Incubator (in which case we should already be > : worried about it), or whether the board can safely delegate podling > : oversight to the IPMC. > > The only reason i've ever heard why the Incubator is "ok" to violate the > "No Umbrella Projects" mantra is specificly because the IPMC does not in > any way sheild/summarize/condense the reports from the "not a projects" > under it when reporting to the board. Hence the basis of my question: If > the IPMC is going to start creating Board Reports that are not a > superset of the union of all podling reports, how will it not become the > Umbrealla project feared by all (who fear umbrella projects) ? (as for "who fear umbrella projects" I can answer that - anyone who was around to watch, or was involved with, the problems of the Jakarata umbrella) Ross Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
