Personally, I see a *HEAP* of stuff Bluesky would need to handle before
doing an ASF release.
I would get that right out of your head from the start. Firstly, you
would have to have demonstrated that all the code is covered by software
grants or ICLAs that are held by the Apache Software Foundation.
Secondly, you would have to go through the entire codebase, and remove
all code that cannot be included in a work covered by the Apache
License. This would mean excluding any LGPL/GPL code, and possibly more.
Secondly, you should be committing code *before* you clean it up. The
clean-up should happen in public, on ASF lists. Otherwise it smacks of
'over the wall' development, meaning other developers not in your
immediate team would have no capacity to engage in the development, as
all they can see at Apache is a sequence of code drops, of code that was
actually developed elsewhere.
Here are the steps I would see the project needing to complete, and
probably within a month, to survive:
(a) Get all code onto Apache SVN, immediately (it is okay to include
LGPL code in SVN, it just can't be released)
(b) Every change to the code needs to be a real change, not a code drop
(c) Patches made by students who are not committers should be uploaded
to JIRA, with correct provenance (ICLA signed) before they are
committed
(d) All development happens on the ASF list
(e) Any idea of doing a release at Apache within six months must be
dropped
Upayavira
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:49 +0800, "SamuelKevin" <lovesumm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi, Ralph:
> I am not avoiding the truth that we suck during the last three
> years,
> though we were once at the verge of release. It's* just* we *Bluesky
> Team
> @ XJTU ，Xi'an China* fail to make it good, please remember it well. I
> believe projects from school could also rock in Apache as well. You can
> look down up on us but you can't deny others.
> I had a propose that community give us the last chance for 1-2month
> and
> certain member could become our mentor to lead us finish releasing the
> newest version. During this time slot. What you would see includes:
>
> 1. gradually increasing discussion in bluesky-dev mailing list.
> Meaningless discussion would not count.
> 2. committing of source code after they were cleaned up.
> Inactive committers would be revoked and new committers would apply to
> join
> in.
> 3. preparing for what release needs and make the release successful.
> Thus
> the new developers and committers could completely experienced the
> release
> process and know about "How" things are done in Apache community
> better.
>
> If community accept my suggestion, individually, i want the BlueSky
> project under strict surveillance by community members. If we can't
> fulfill
> what we just promised, then just kick us out of here and i would have
> noting
> to say.
> Well, suppose we live through that, besides working in Apache way,
> we
> would continually working on to evolve BlueSky to make it much more
> easier
> to use in e-learning area and used in a larger scope(now bluesky has
> been deployed in China and is about to be applied in India ), so that
> more
> students in undeveloped district could share the same high quality
> education
> as the developed area.
> Sincerely, i would invite you Ralph to be our mentor in this 1-2
> month
> if you were not busy enough and willing to guide us. Don't feel sorry if
> you
> want to refuse me.TOT
> regards,
> Kevin
>
> 2011/6/30 Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
>
> > Sorry, but the explanation below makes things sound even worse. Apache
> > projects are not here to give students a place to do school work. What you
> > have described is not a community. If the project cannot build a community
> > of people who are interested in the project for more than a school term then
> > it doesn't belong here.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Jun 29, 2011, at 8:12 PM, SamuelKevin wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Noel:
> > >
> > > 2011/6/30 Noel J. Bergman <n...@devtech.com>
> > >
> > >> Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > >>> Chen Liu wrote:
> > >>>> We propose to move future development of BlueSky to the Apache
> > Software
> > >>>> Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community.
> > >>
> > >>> You are supposed to be doing your development work in the ASF
> > subversion
> > >>> repository, using ASF mailing lists, as peers.
> > >>
> > >> Chen, as Joe points out, these are what BlueSky should have been doing
> > for
> > >> the past three (3) years, and yet we still here a proposal for the
> > future.
> > >>
> > >>> Looking at the (limited) commit history, there is a total imbalance
> > >> between
> > >>> the number of people associated with the development work (20+) and the
> > >>> number of people with Apache accounts here (2).
> > >>
> > >> I guess i can explain that. Most of the developers of BlueSky project
> > are
> > > students. As you all know, students come when they join in school and go
> > > after they graduate. So the active developers are around 10. Like we used
> > to
> > > have 5 committers, but now we only have 2 committers in active.
> > >
> > >> Again, as Joe points out, ALL of BlueSky development should been done
> > via
> > >> the ASF infrastructure, not periodically synchronized. We are a
> > >> development
> > >> community, not a remote archive.
> > >>
> > >>> What we really need you to discuss are *plans*, how you will implement
> > >> them,
> > >>> who will implement them, and how you will collaborate in the codebase
> > as
> > >> peers.
> > >>
> > >> Joe, again, has this on the money. The BlueSky project must immediately
> > >> make significant strides to rectify these issues. Now, not later.
> > >>
> > >> We should see:
> > >>
> > >> 1) All current code in the ASF repository.
> > >> 2) All development via ASF accounts (get the rest of the people signed
> > >> up).
> > >> 3) Ddevelopment discussion on the mailing list.
> > >> 4) All licensing issues cleaned up.
> > >>
> > >> According to what you've listed, i would forward your suggestion to
> > bluesky
> > > dev list and wish we could make a quick response after
> > > discussion. Appreciate your help.
> > > regards,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >> --- Noel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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