I take Rob to mean that he has to deflect that kind of conversation.  And he 
probably has to think about distancing himself from such conversations of 
others.  Perhaps he could be better at it.  Does it really matter? (Not being a 
corporate employee of any flavor, I consider myself free to speak on this.)

Of course, others can talk about divisions of labor or whatever, but I think 
the Apache processes are safeguard enough.  Pontifications about who is 
upstream/downstream and what the relationship and collaborations are don't 
matter.  (It is patently obvious that Apache *can't* be downstream from 
LibreOffice.  As heads-of-state like to say, all other options are on the 
table.)

The only way this gets interesting, with regard to LibreOffice at any rate, 
would be if the Apache Incubator project declined to accept the proposal.  Then 
we can see how that works out for all concerned parties.  (I am not advocating 
that turn of events and I don't have a vote in any case.)

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Norbert Thiebaud [mailto:nthieb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 21:45
To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" 
conversation?

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> 
wrote:
> The problem here is that Rob and Sam and other well-known employees 
> are being addressed as IBM employees here

I perceive Sam answers and arguments to be consistent with the 'I am an 
individual member of Apache' position. I may disagree with his arguments or 
positions, but at least they are consistent with the framework posited.

I certainly cannot say the same for many of Rob's post...


>[..]They can operate as individuals but they must also honor the requirements 
>on their conduct that are a consequence of their employment.

and shall I emphasis:

Rob Weir said:
>There are some things we must not talk about, especially things where 
>competitors may be seen as arranging to reduce competition.  We need to 
>steer the conversation far from this.

_we_ here means who ? I understood it, by default, to mean _we_ AF member and 
by extensions the guests (like me) on this list....
Am I to understand that AP members are bound by what-ever contractual 
obligation Rob may or may not have with IBM ?

Norbert

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