On 2 June 2011 14:27, <robert_w...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote on 06/02/2011 09:12:10 AM: > > > From: Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Date: 06/02/2011 09:12 AM > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice and the ASF > > > > On 2 June 2011 14:04, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Should we add ourselfs as commiters? > > > > > > If you would like to contribute here (possibly instead of, or in > > > addition, to your work at TDF), then yes! Please add yourself into the > > > proposal on the wiki. > > > > > > > I'm not likely to commit code. I run an accredited awarding organisation > > with permission from Oracle to use the OOo name on certificates as part > of > > the certification project. We have definite interest from training > companies > > and certification will help in the marketing process and could fund > > developers. So my question is where will we stand if the OOo trademarks > are > > transferred to Apache? > > > > Hi Ian, > > A similar question came up yesterday. Apache trademark policy is here: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ > > IANAL, but I suspect it will be critical whether the use is like: > > "OpenOffice Certified Professional" >
These are end user certificates based on the UK National Occupational Standards and referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. They are generic in the sense they are certificates in eg Word Processing rather than Writer but we intended putting the OOo/LO (Could be Apache I suppose) logo on the certificate to show it was achieved in the context of the specific product. This keeps compatibility with the national and European systems which we think is more powerful than a vendor approach. Community endorsement would be good but not essential. We will give back a contribution from the certification fee to the community and of course certification will help with marketing. Since the quality assurance is through the UK government regulatory system, it means that the community does not need to have any special committees for this as long as they are happy with independent government regulation. (We have an Open Source independent community rep on our board of governors and our Chairman was formerly commercial director and a full board member of IBM) We do in fact have an EU grant application submitted through Germany to support transfer of innovation to other countries. We also have a sophisticated on-line system based on Drupal and a LAMP stack for managing evidence provision and quality assurance agreed with the UK regulators. We can provide user certification for a wide range of FOSS projects Inkscape, GIMP, etc, it's just that OOo seems to be the first where there is definite demand. versus > > "Foo Certification for OpenOffice". > > In other words, does the certificate imply (or has the likelihood of > confusing the reader to believe) that the endorsement comes from Apache? > As it stands it would be a certificate with an OOo logo on it (And the logos of the UK national qualifications regulators for England, Wales and NI - Scotland has a separate education system) We are also endorsed by the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT since they produced the assessment criteria, we just provide the assessment model. If we take the OOo logo away it rather defeats the purpose since we are already providing the generic certification in any case we just don't take any real notice of the product used and for many people it doesn't matter. The idea was to have a mechanism for getting resource to the OOo community (or LO, Inkscape, Gimp etc for that matter) So I'm not sure if using the OOo logo on a certificate goes beyond nominative use. I'd say I'd err on the side of caution and say it does. In any case, when Apache OpenOffice becomes an official project, there > will be people you can contact to review/get approval for use of the > trademark, within per the policy. But I don't think we can guarantee that > no adjustments will be needed. How long is it likely to take? We have a significant potential customer wanting to get started in September and it means I have to go to Equador to train people! I'm not going to go from UK to SA if there is uncertainty about use of the OOo logo on the certificates. BTW, the committers list on the wiki is not just for C++ programmers. If > you think you'll be contributing other project assets, whether in-product > help, tutorials, test cases, translations, etc., that is all within the > role of a committer. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
