On 17/08/2010 02:05, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 16:47, Noel J. Bergman<n...@devtech.com> wrote:
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Your head is in the sand. The Incubator is a broken process. Everybody hates it. Everybody wants to get out of it. Subversion was fortunate in that we had enough support to bully our way through, to route around damage, and to check everything off the list rapidly. Whoever said it before: if we *didn't* have that fortunate fact behind us, then our approach to the ASF would have been very very different.
I have to agree. I am currently working with a very large project that is interested in coming into the incubator. There are two major issues for me to address:
One is getting the lawyers from the originating company to agree to the legal sign-off - nothing new there.
The other is getting the project through the incubator in a reasonable time so that its large number of users don't get the jitters and switch to an alternative platform.
The project genuinely tries to operate in an ASF like manner but has some inherent problems that are rooted in the fact that 75%+ of committers all being part of a single company and all lacking experience of ASF style development models. Consequently, some working practices will need to be changed, but the committers are aware of the changes required and willing to do the work.
Unlike Subversion there are no pre-existing members on the commit list and thus noone to shelter the project team from the peanut gallery here in gene...@.
I've already decided that I'm going to have to recruit a number of key mentors to help me protect the project during incubation.
For some reason that never occurred to me as being kind of anti-apache. Aren't we a flat organisation? It really shouldn't matter who the mentors are as long as they are members, yet I had subconsciously decided that it did matter.
For this reason I have to agree that the Incubator process is not coping well with the large numbers of interested bystanders we have on the IPMC. Oversight is good, but we don't need the oversight of the peanut gallery.
Kudos to those trying to solve this problem without completely breaking up an otherwise healthy incubation process.
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