On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hi Dan,
Perhaps this just needs generalizing a smidge.
Who are the users of/community for RAT? If that can be determined
then the
TLP should be named after this community, rather than after RAT
itself.
eg, if RAT is deemed to be for "internal" apache use, then call the
TLP
internal.apache.org. RAT then just happens to be the first such
"internal"
tool. If other tools for the same community are written, then
they would
also go into this TLP.
While I'm not against what you propose at all, I don't think it
makes sense
to use the graduation of RAT in isolation as a vehicle for your
proposal
above. If such a proposal makes sense (after time of seeing more and
more
"internal" Apache tools), then it would make sense to put it forward
at that
time.
In the meanwhile, there is an actionable, concrete proposal here I
believe
for a RAT TLP. +1 to Greg's comments: every TLP doesn't have to be a
behemoth pseudo-Incubator like many of our other TLPs. Some of them
work
just fine as smaller, driven projects with communities of all sizes.
I'd suggest letting the RAT PPMC decide what they want to do. If they
are unable to come to a decision, they can come back and ask for more
opinions.
Craig
Cheers,
Chris
On 10 August 2010 18:20, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me repeat: where does it say a TLP must be "at least THIS
size" ?
Answer: nowhere.
Small projects are just fine. We're looking at the overall community
and the people to shepherd that community. Those are the RAT
developers and users. Not the Apache Commons or Apache Maven people.
They have other concerns and focus points.
TLPs are not "expensive", so they don't have to have a "minimum
size"
to justify their existence.
Cheers,
-g
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:37, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
wrote:
RAT is very important and helpful, but I don't think it's big
enough to
justify
an own TLP.
It previously was under codehaus and I agree it would best fit
under the
maven
TLP.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message ----
From: Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 4:47:49 PM
Subject: Re: Future of RAT
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
I feel kind of the opposite -- RAT is an important tool that's
required of
all the Incubator projects, but pretty widely integrated (at
least in
Java
land) outside of the Incubator as a tool to help check ASF
policies.
To me,
that's a big scope and an important community, and just based
on the
telltale signs it seems like a TLP to me.
Quick, hire him for chair ;-)
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