I'd certainly be up for staying on Click's PMC and participating in governance issues, if that was helpful. I'm just not a user so have not done any contributions. (I'm certainly up for downloading code, testing, and voting on releases).
WILL On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 07:46 -0700, Will Glass-Husain wrote: >> Hi-- >> >> I went away from email for half a day and got a ton of new messages! >> >> As a mentor to Click, I can attest that there's a small but active >> community involved. It's consistently operated in a transparent and >> open manner. There's been no signs of "dictatator for life" behavior. >> The founder of the project (Malcolm) is a frequent but not >> heavy-handed presence on the lists. Bob Schellink has overseen many >> of the details of going through the incubation process. (and Naoki >> Takezoe has consistently contributed as well). Contributions and >> discussion from a variety of contributors have been welcomed and >> accepted. >> >> I note too that Malcolm has been part of the Velocity community for >> some years with frequent feedback, bug reports, and occasional >> patches. >> >> One issue that has come up is that none of the Mentors (myself >> included) are users of Click (and hence not contributors). It would >> be nice if the PMC and committership were larger but there are >> successful projects with small PMCs - Velocity has had 3-5 active PMC >> members for some years now while successfully supporting a much large >> user base. I agree with Andrus that there's an opportunity to reach >> out to people more specifically, but such efforts do not magically >> turn contributors into committers. >> >> We had some discussion about graduation (and the committer size >> specifically) on the Click list between the mentors and the community. >> Our advice was essentially "go for it". >> >> Click's an innovative project with a small but open community. The >> core members clearly get the Apache Way. And the size of the PMC, >> while a concern, has potential to grow over time. I vote +1. > > Thank you for your comments. > > Unfortunately, it also has the potential to shrink, which sends it > straight into non-functionality. > > Firstly, I would like to know: has Click voted in any committers during > its incubation? (I know I should really research that for myself...) > > Secondly, do the current mentors still feel positive about the project? > If so, I'd have thought they'd want to continue to support the project > over the coming year or so. If three mentors joined the PMC, that would > give six members, which would be a significant buffer against sinking > below the minimum three active members and would, I suspect, transform a > lot of -1 votes into +1s. > > I know I stayed on both the Felix and the Wicket PMCs for some time > after their graduation. Neither was hard work - all I needed to do was > read a few emails, and perhaps do a little research occasionally. Not > much to do for communities that I had come to appreciate. > > Upayavira > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
