Let's take this to legal-discuss and see what comes out. After all, that
is where the lawyers lurk.

Good idea.

Also keep in mind that the problem scope is not limited to the projects coming to the incubator. It also affects contributions to the existing projects by new people. Currently anything beyond a trivial patch (submitted via Jira with "include in ASF product" radio button), requires an ICLA. We specifically tell people to sign an ICLA. With Roy's interpretation, we should be telling them "post this code on the web somewhere, adding a BSD license header, and we'll use it".

Andrus



On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:

I feel your pain and I know that Cayenne was in a bad spot because of
this. But if we can ease the process for others, why not?

Let's take this to legal-discuss and see what comes out. After all, that
is where the lawyers lurk.

        Ciao
                Henning


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:42 -0400, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:

My personal understanding here is, that Ahmed (and any other
contributor) contributed that code to a project that is already under AL2. So there is no need to track down the contributors and/or rewrite
code where the contributor can not be tracked down. The AL allows
relicensing under AL2 ( :-) ), so the code in the repository is fine.

The policy may have changed, but the above was NOT true when Cayenne
was incubating. What I suspect is happening is that there is no
*policy* as such, and instead we have a range of opinions.

What you (and Roy) are saying makes sense to me, but it goes against
everything I know about the practiced IP clearance process at Apache.

Andrus

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