On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 12:03 -0400, Christopher Moesel wrote: > <unlurk> > > ... but REST *is* SOA, isn't it? SOA doesn't complement REST-- it > *encompasses* REST. My (non-binding) vote is to include the "SOA" but > not call out "REST". > > </unlurk>
+1 that was my point, thank you for clarifying :-) Its unfortunate that the battles between the WS-* & REST folks over the years were billed as REST vs SOA. The emerging consensus is that a good service-oriented-architecture contains a healthy dollop of restful services. Thankfully SOA isn't synonymous with, or exclusively bound to WS-* anymore :) --Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trenaman, Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: general > Subject: RE: Apache CXF resolution feedback.... > > Agreed! SOA and REST can complement each other very nicely thank you > very much. However, I think that it's important to bring the REST stuff > out; let's not restrict CXF to be just about SOA. > > /Ade > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 13 March 2008 15:30 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: general > Subject: RE: Apache CXF resolution feedback.... > > *tip-toeing around potential flames* ... I wouldn't specifically call > out SOA & REST design principals. > Personally, I consider REST to be a perfectly acceptable (desirable, > perhaps even ideal) design principal that one should use within an SOA. > Therefore, I don't really see the need to explicitly call out REST in > this clause. > cheers, > --Frank > > > On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 05:41 -0400, Trenaman, Adrian wrote: > > Would you also add REST to that description, given our support for > > JAX-RS? > > > > "framework for creating, deploying, and consuming services based on > > SOA and REST design principles" > > > > Ade. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 13 March 2008 02:50 > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Apache CXF resolution feedback.... > > > > Seems to capture the spirit of the project. > > > > I'd insert "and " just before "consuming". > > > > Craig > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 12 March 2008, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > >> Something along these lines? So folks reading it would get some > > >> idea what they can do with CXF? > > >> > > >> "framework for creating, deploying, consuming services based on SOA > > > >> design principles" > > > > > > That seems completely reasonable to me. I like it. > > > > > > Anyone else have any comments? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dan > > > > > > > > >> > > >> -- dims > > >> > > >> Daniel Kulp wrote: > > >> | On Monday 10 March 2008, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > >> |> "a service consumption and enablement framework for > > >> distribution" - > > >> |> sounds a bit vague. no? > > >> | > > >> | We had discussion about that on the PPMC and couldn't find > > >> something > > >> | more "specific" that we were happy with. Any suggestions? > > >> | > > >> | We didn't really want to add specific specs such as JAX-WS since > > >> | we > > > > >> | also have other things in the works such as JAX-RS/JSR311 support > > >> | along with things like the simple frontend and Aegis and such. > We > > >> | also didn't want to say "web services" since we have the IIOP > > >> | support in place now. > > >> | > > >> | Dan > > >> | > > >> |> -- dims > > >> |> > > >> |> Daniel Kulp wrote: > > >> |> | The Apache CXF community recently voted to graduate as a TLP > > >> |> | and > > > > >> |> | have started working on the resolution. We'd appreciate any > > >> |> | feedback. > > >> |> | > > >> |> | Thanks! > > >> |> | Dan > > >> |> | > > >> |> | > > >> |> | > > >> |> | ====================================== > > >> |> | > > >> |> | Establish the Apache CXF project > > >> |> | > > >> |> | WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the > best > > >> |> | interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > >> |> | Foundation's purpose to establish a Project, to be known > as > > >> |> | "Apache CXF Project", related to a service consumption > and > > >> |> | enablement framework for distribution at no charge to the > > >> |> | public. > > >> |> | > > >> |> | NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > >> |> | Committee (PMC) is hereby established pursuant to Bylaws > > >> |> | of the Foundation; and be it further > > >> |> | > > >> |> | RESOLVED, that the Apache CXF PMC be and hereby is > > >> |> | charged with the creation and maintenance of "Apache > CXF"; > > >> |> | and be it further > > >> |> | > > >> |> | RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache CXF" > > > >> be > > >> |> | and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve > > >> at > > >> |> | the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the > > >> |> | Apache CXF PMC, and to have primary responsibility for > > >> management > > >> |> | of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the > > >> |> | Apache > > > > >> |> | CXF PMC; and be it further > > >> |> | > > >> |> | RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be > and > > >> |> | hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of > the > > >> |> | Apache CXF PMC: > > >> |> | > > >> |> | * Ulhas Bhole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Sean O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Freeman Yue Fang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Jarek Gawor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Eoghan Glynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Willem Ning Jiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Eric Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Peter Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Bozhong Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Jervis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Jim Ma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * James Maode Mao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Benson Margulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Glen Mazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Guillaume Nodet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | * Ajay Paibir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> |> | > > >> |> | > > >> |> | NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Daniel Kulp > > >> |> | be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache CXF, > > >> to > > >> |> | serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > >> |> | Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > >> |> | death, > > > > >> |> | resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until > > > >> |> | a > > > > >> |> | successor is appointed; and be it further > > >> |> | > > >> |> | RESOLVED, that the Apache CXF Project be and hereby > > >> |> | is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > > >> |> | Apache Incubator CXF podling; and be it further > > >> |> | > > >> |> | RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the > > >> Apache > > >> |> | Incubator CXF podling encumbered upon the Apache > Incubator > > >> |> | PMC are hereafter discharged. > > >> |> | > > >> |> | ========================================== > > >> |> > > >> |> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> |>-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> |>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> |> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> |>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J. 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