On Jan 15, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Chris Howe wrote:
The purpose of the other project is to be a sort of
impromptu venue for collaboration of things related to
the ASF project. The ASF project in question (The
Apache Open for Business Project - OFBiz), has a
history of being relatively stable in SVN. So
generally, contributions that get put back into the
project _work. Following the one contributor per JIRA
patch approach makes it difficult for people in the
community to share their works in progress. Since the
goal is to share their works in progress to get them
"inclusion worthy" anything that moves from Project A
to OFBiz will by design have more than one
contributor.
Ah. Well, you know, OFBiz is a bit of a different kind of project
from a lot of other ASF projects, so the fact that our "default
mechanisms" might not apply that well is not so surprising. If I were
the OFBiz project, I'd probably consider setting up some kind of
"sandbox" *right here at the ASF* for the community to work in for
this kind of thing, but I'm not so sure that makes sense for OFBiz.
4) Project A releases a source and binary
distribution (probably as
a .jar)
Most of the contributions that come from Project A
will be derivative of OFBiz, so jars end up creating
redundant code or make it difficult to incorporate.
Heh, that's an OFBiz design flaw, or rather, OFBiz hasn't been
optimized for this style of legal-mess-alleviating modularity yet :)
5) an ASF project does not want to do #4, so all the
developers on
Project A sign a CLA and a code grant for a sizeable
chunk of the
Project A source. The ASF project follows the
incubator's "IP
clearance" process.
While I see #5 being the front runner approach, this
does put quite a burden on the ASF project. In work
that is to be contributed from Project A to the ASF
project the temporary "partnership" wants to
collectively and individually grant the ASF the
license as in #2, but has no mechanism to provide that
grant collectively.
(IANAL) That can actually be ok. They can grant the rights to some of
their IP, *including* whatever rights they have to the collective
work. If all the individuals that contributed to the collective work
do so, I think that means as much to the ASF as a collective grant.
There's still the burden to make sure, of course, and document.
P.S. I never thought it would be this hard to give
stuff away for free :-)
Heh :). Well, that's just because you're trying to do a specific
thing (this Project A) in a specific way, *and* optimizing ahead of
time to support integration with a complex process that hasn't been
thought through yet for the specific thing you want to do. A long,
hard, drawn-out discussion with no conclusion is usually what you
get, and then months down the road, hopefully the process has been
thought through and documented, and no-one will have to suffer your
hardship again! Hang in there!
cheers,
/LSD
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